Re: [Vo]:LENR clues in a 6/30/13 crop circle?

2013-07-05 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 4-7-2013 23:50, ChemE Stewart wrote: For those with an open mind http://cropcircleconnector.com/2013/Cavallo/comments.html Interesting link, and I noticed the link with the word alchemy, which is said to originate from the Arabic al-kimia. I was wondering if the word might be

Re: [Vo]:LENR clues in a 6/30/13 crop circle?

2013-07-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Rob, I concluded myself a year ago that some of the crop circle makers appear to be particle physicists and many circles are warning us of solar flares, CMEs and severe weather and trying to help us along with cleaner energy. Which led me to believe that our quantum gravity field is decaying

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins I believe in this vintage of the HotCat, the central axis was open to flowing environmental air. That is why the inside of the stainless inner tube would be painted black - to help with radiation from the inside (not that there is very much radiation - only from the

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-05 Thread Jones Beene
Bob - The quote I supplied applies to the last HotCat design and you stated that the coaxial arrangement you envisioned was in the previous design. Sorry to conflate the two. But the bottom line is that in the current design, which we must assume is advanced beyond the Penon design, the

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-05 Thread Bob Higgins
In the design previously reported by Penon (8/2012), we have to conclude that it was functional - perhaps exceptionally so, because it melted down. In this design the only place to contain the H2 would be in a thin layer between the proposed close fitting concentric tubes welded to appear as a

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-05 Thread Jones Beene
One other image could be important in trying to 'deconstruct' the detailed operation of the HotCat, if plasmonics are involved. http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat_pics/130601_levi_02A.png The image seems to show higher temperature on each end, with lower heat in the middle. It is

Re: [Vo]:LENR clues in a 6/30/13 crop circle?

2013-07-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
My last comment from an engineer's perspective: The reason the Earth orbits the Sun is because she is pulling a vacuum on it and the Sun rewards us with those energetic, collapsed vacuum particles which decay continuously on their way to Earth. Some of the larger particles orbit for awhile

[Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Teslaalset
A new LENR WO patent application got published on May 30 by Etiam OY, a Finnish LENR start-up. This application has very detailled descriptions of it's claimed process methods based on Rydberg matter. Link to this PA:

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:43:55 AM A new LENR WO patent application got published on May 30 by Etiam OY, a Finnish LENR start-up. This application has very detailled descriptions of it's claimed process methods based on Rydberg matter. Link

[Vo]:functionals to fractional charges and fractional spins systems

2013-07-05 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.5194v1.pdf *Extension of many-electron theory and approximate density functionals to fractional charges and fractional spins* An explanation for electrons with fractional charges and fractional spins? Could 'hydrinos' be a result of multi-electron theory describing

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013076378A2?cl=en is a searchable copy of the patent. This patent application contains many of the LENR mechanisms we have discussed over the years here at vortex in one compendium. They are behind by about a few months on a quike scan of the material. On

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Terry Blanton
System and method for producing thermal energy is based on a very large number of nanoscale particle accelerators in a volume accelerating electrons and hydrogen ions at very high local electric fields. Nanoscale particle accelerators comprise a dielectric material possessing electric

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 11:15:18 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013 System and method for producing thermal energy is based on a very

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread David Roberson
This sounds like a typical foot in the door patent. I hope that the idea is not to troll for future profit by slowing down the development of DGT or Rossi. Does anyone know whether or not the applicants have built a working model of this system? I want to see actual products instead of lots

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 11:27:19 AM I want to see actual products instead of lots of words in order for the world's energy problems to be solved. Around p 48 they describe three Examples which generated excess heat, had distinctive gamma-ray

RE: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
The applicant is http://etiam.fi/ Etiam has secured funding from Foundation for Finnish Inventions to design and manufacture reactor systems for LENR applications. The inventor on the patent, Pekka Soininen, has been on patents for a number of companies, including Nokia. Another company

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: No stopping this snowball now... dam is crumbling. That's a good thing! Yep, this will feed more lawyers than smart phone lawsuits.

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Axil Axil
Note that gammas are produced in some of the examples(aka experiments). IMHO, this radiation must be eliminated before commercialization is permitted. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: A new LENR WO patent application got published on May 30 by

[Vo]:List of recent LENR-related patents

2013-07-05 Thread pagnucco
Perhaps of interest - The following is a list of recent LENR-related patent applications: http://www.google.com/patents/sitemap/en/Sitemap/G21/G21B/G21B_3.html Also, the following present several lower-cost approaches to fusion: Method for producing thermal energy

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:43:55 AM Subject: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013 A new LENR WO patent application got published on May 30 by Etiam OY, a Finnish LENR

RE: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Like I keep saying, it's all about resonances... [0033] Regarding the penetration of the Coulomb barrier around the atom nucleus, resonance of a wave function of a particle in a quantum well system has been described by David Bohm, Quantum theory, Prentice-Hall, New York 1951, which is

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:21:55 PM The applicant is http://etiam.fi/ Etiam has secured funding from Foundation for Finnish Inventions to design and manufacture reactor systems for LENR applications. Oops ! I missed your post. The

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
I'm not sure that all the Pekkas are the same. I suspect that the Nokia and Thin film inventors are different people. eg http://www.ptodirect.com/Results/Patents?query=IN/(Soininen-Pekka-J) has no Nokia stuff. and http://www.patentbuddy.com/Inventor/Pekka-Soininen/6135773 has only Nokia

RE: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Frank roarty
Thanks Axil - much easier! From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:12 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

RE: [Vo]:List of recent LENR-related patents

2013-07-05 Thread Jones Beene
This one is on that list and is more important, potentially, than the Finnish application - looks like Piantelli has been granted - http://www.google.com/patents/EP2368252B1?cl=en However, it is poorly worded and probably will be of little value in the USA. But Energetics has been granted.

Re: [Vo]:List of recent LENR-related patents

2013-07-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Perhaps of interest - The following is a list of recent LENR-related patent applications: http://www.google.com/patents/sitemap/en/Sitemap/G21/G21B/G21B_3.html Thank you, Lou. I wasn't aware that there was a patent category for

Re: [Vo]:List of recent LENR-related patents

2013-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: This must be the bin into which the patent clerks toss the LENR patents, there to languish forevermore. Are they languishing? I thought that several of these have been granted. Perhaps I misunderstand the new patent laws. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:57:23 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 11:27:19 AM I want to see actual products instead of lots of words in order for the world's energy problems to be solved. Around p 48

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:22:05 +1000: Hi, [snip] You won't get fission from the mid range elements by adding a single nucleon. That doesn't happens at the ends of the periodic table. That should read:- That only happens at the ends of the periodic table.

Re: [Vo]:List of recent LENR-related patents

2013-07-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Are they languishing? I thought that several of these have been granted. Perhaps I misunderstand the new patent laws. I haven't been following the patent situation too closely. I vaguely recall some patents being

Re: [Vo]:Finnish startup company Etiam OY filed a detailled LENR patent application, published on May 30 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:36 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: You won't get fission from the mid range elements by adding a single nucleon. That doesn't happens at the ends of the periodic table. That should read:- That only happens at the ends of the periodic table. What are the approximate