Re: [Vo]:a fine Cold Fusion paper:

2013-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Yiannis has considered seriously LENR (not more genuine Cold Fusion) for the first time in 2009 and has rejected many of our most valuable memes. Young expert is an oxymoron. He also has shown lack of respect for our tradition to build delicate, weak, unmanageable evanescent, almost non-cognoscible

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: A laptop nowadays draws 50 to 100 W. I assume future ones will draw ~25 W. > Imagine a small but intense 50 W heat source powering a thermoelectric > chip, with a large radiator behind that to spread out the heat. That would > be doable I think

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "David Roberson" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:07:50 PM > One observation I recall from the video was that they tended to keep > the camera focused upon the multiple temperature readings most of > the time and spent little time on the output temperature and flow > rate indication. Th

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
*The evanescent wave* There is an EMF power amplification factor of up to 10 to the 15 power experimentally demonstrated by nanolenzes formed by nanowires and nanoparticles. This is before the chemical probes that measure this power level are destroyed by the EMF originating from the “hot spot".

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
Thanks again. It appears like DGT actually had 20 plus kilowatts of power being delivered according to the information thus far. Does anyone recall seeing evidence of a magic trick of some type regarding the output vapor? One observation I recall from the video was that they tended to keep th

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: I suspect that the lower power products that are mentioned, such as a > laptop computer will still need connection to a power generation source > that is external. The electrical power they need requires the release of > far too much low quality heat for its local generatio

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
There's a full calculator here : http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/steam-pressure-drop-calculator-d_1093.html I don't have the steam density at hand (and have to go do some errands).

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "David Roberson" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:33:03 PM > Thanks for the good information. When the drop was calculated as .5 > bars, was that assuming dry steam at 165 C? I think the peak was 165C -- I may have used 14C in some of my calculations > Also, if the temperature measur

Re: [Vo]:a fine Cold Fusion paper:

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
*but we don't accept Yiannis as expert on cold fusion theory,* Mark Twain defined an expert as "an ordinary fellow from another town" Will Rogers described an expert as "A man fifty miles from home with a briefcase." Danish scientist and Nobel laureate Niels Bohr defined an expert as "A person tha

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
Thanks for the good information. When the drop was calculated as .5 bars, was that assuming dry steam at 165 C? Also, if the temperature measures 165 C at the output test point, does that automatically result in dry superheated steam? I ask this question because there most likely will exist a

RE: [Vo]:a fine Cold Fusion paper:

2013-08-16 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher > PG: International Journal of Modern Chemistry, 2013, 5(1): 29-43 AF: I had a bad feeling when I read this; "Peer-reviewed journal." The journal is an on-line publication. Authors pay to have their papers published So true. This is as far

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread Alain Sepeda
note that if I understood well, the end of the output pipe was plunged into a flow of water to cool the steam . the result is a great aspiration which cancel the pressure of vaporisation. if it is so, the result would be steam produced and aspired quickly into the "sinkhole" how much volume is .5

Re: [Vo]:a fine Cold Fusion paper:

2013-08-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Peter Gluck" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:08:01 AM > > Dear Readers, > > > Yiannis Hadjichristos has just called my attention to the following > paper, a real double rara avis: > - it is published in a peer reviewed journal; > - it clearly opts for a multi-stage theory, interdisc

Re: [Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "David Roberson" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 2:39:12 PM This is a quick response .. I don't have time right now to dig up my old posts. See my document on steam at lenr.qumbu.com for steam quality. > > I have seen various tubing sizes tossed around in regard to the > recent video d

[Vo]:DGT Test Questions

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
I have seen various tubing sizes tossed around in regard to the recent video demonstration. Does anyone have direct knowledge of the inside diameter of the copper cooling tubing? Since .5 liters per minute of cooling water flow was demonstrated in the Argon test, let's assume that this flow r

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread James Bowery
Of course, but I was responding to your, technically correct but, misleading statement "Even early into a cold fusion era there will be few uses for a megawatt generator." Its true that the there will be few such uses even early on, but one of those few will be very big early into the cold fusion

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
I suspect that the lower power products that are mentioned, such as a laptop computer will still need connection to a power generation source that is external. The electrical power they need requires the release of far too much low quality heat for its local generation. My laptop burns a hole

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
I suspect that you are correct in asserting that LENR will eventually result in the smashing of coal and oil, etc. The main question is a matter of time. Decades might pass before the task is completed. The near future may be educational as we observe the manner in which those industries fi

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
A megawatt is not a lot of Horse Power. I would suspect that laboratory levels of LENR power could be as much as several thousand watts without too much difficulty in handling the excess heat. The recent DGT demonstration seemed to be within a reasonable output range. Locating the nuclear a

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: So users of big process power from high grade heat are steel mills, cement > plants, glass plants, petrochemical refiners, cargo ship, train engines, > earth movers, aircraft, trucks, autos, water desalination, buses, pumps, > mines... > Most process heat will come directly from

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: > Drop-in replacements for coal-burners in electrical power plants looks > like a quick win if the ECat-HT can be made self-sustaining via acting > cooling control. > For a few decades perhaps, but after that the power companies will be going out of business. They will not b

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
So users of big process power from high grade heat are steel mills, cement plants, glass plants, petrochemical refiners, cargo ship, train engines, earth movers, aircraft, trucks, autos, water desalination, buses, pumps, mines... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > > > On F

Re: [Vo]:Phonons

2013-08-16 Thread H Veeder
Seems a paper was written about stadium waves in 2002 http://angel.elte.hu/wave/download/article/MexWave.pdf Harry On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM, wrote: > In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:37 -0400: > Hi, > [snip] > >what determines the speed of this wave? > > > >http:

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote: > > >> Megawatts are better than kilowatts and kilowatts are better than >> milliwatts. >> > > Probably not in the long term. Most devices use ~100 W. In the future I > expect all power supplies to be self-contained, with

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
I doubt 100W will heat your grand-grandson's house or drive4 the aircon but if you know it better... The Cold Fusion promise was for unlimited energy. Please teach me how to interpret he last sentence of the paper. Peter On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > Megawatts are better than kilowatts and kilowatts are better than > milliwatts. > Probably not in the long term. Most devices use ~100 W. In the future I expect all power supplies to be self-contained, with no central generation or even household generators. I mean that eve

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, I'm always trying to make sharp distinctions, and the best. Megawatts are better than kilowatts and kilowatts are better than milliwatts. Perhaps each have their specific market however I have serious doubts for milliwatts- energy sources for the pacemakers of cardiopathic artists in the

Re: [Vo]:My ICCF18 presentation

2013-08-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: "The reviews were by scientists who were outraged -- outraged! -- because Watson told the truth about how science is done. As I said, he also described himself as a lazy young man more into goofing off and chasing women than working." Kary Mu

Re: [Vo]:My ICCF18 presentation

2013-08-16 Thread Alain Sepeda
Nice and simple paper, very informative. The general delusion is so hard to accept when you get the data. If you read French I can proudly say you that you should not read "La Recherche" (a more academic local competitor to SciAm) on "Scientific controversies" ( http://www.larecherche.fr/savoirs/

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
What the Ni/H reactor does is to convert heat into concentrated electric and magnetic fields. Pure hydrogen is required to perform this function. The first step in this conversion process is to convert heat into dipole oscillations. Hydrogen helps to do this by trapping infrared photons that fall

RE: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread DJ Cravens
VERY good work from Violante. I hope they look at the Ag and Y alloy with Pd. Yes, you don't have to be in the kW to have very important work. In fact, levels past about 250W start to get complicated and hard to use. I have never seen anything over 250W where I felt comfortable about the all meas

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > I have just published: > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/why-pd-d-lenr-will-never-work.html > I think you are making distinctions that do not exist in nature. Cold fusion is cold fusion. The smallest Pd-D effect is probably the same as what Rossi observes. Research

Re: [Vo]:My ICCF18 presentation

2013-08-16 Thread a.ashfield
Excellent paper Jed. Well done!

Re: [Vo]:My ICCF18 presentation

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > History does repeat itself, over and over. > Mark Twain supposedly said: "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." I agree. Things are never quite the same. The quote from Watson is hysterical. His book, *The Double Helix*, is hysterical. My edition from Norton

Re: [Vo]:My ICCF18 presentation

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
I added a photo of Gerischer from the university site: http://www.fhi-berlin.mpg.de/pc/PChistory.html You can see the resemblance to the caricature by my anonymous illustrator. - Jed

[Vo]:a fine Cold Fusion paper:

2013-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Readers, Yiannis Hadjichristos has just called my attention to the following paper, a real double rara avis: - it is published in a peer reviewed journal; - it clearly opts for a multi-stage theory, interdisciplinar approach. It is "Potential Exploration of Cold Fusion and Its Quantitative