Re: [Vo]: MFMP starting to test me356 reactor today

So it's all just another dud. MFMP is working up quite a record of finding duds. On Monday, May 29, 2017, Brian Ahern wrote: > Has the testing concluded? It is now 3 PM in Czech. > > > -- > *From:* Jed Rothwell > > *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:37 PM > *To:* Vor

RE: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

Jones— You are not alone. Cynics love company. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:41 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:new thre

RE: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

he are a number of ways that nuclear reactions can release potential energy. Kinetic energy in the for of high velocity neutral and charged particles, electromagnetic radiation and kinetic energy in the form of angular momentum or spin energy. Rossi and N. Cook claim that some of their Ni-H=L

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones, isn't there an endothermic reaction with d-d that releases a gamma ray? On Tuesday, June 6, 2017, Jones Beene wrote: > Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I suppose the cathode might have been storing and releasing heat at the > same time, but how could you tell with a calorimeter? > > > One expect

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones, isn't "stored nuclear energy " a new concept? If you fission/split an atom, are you releasing its stored energy? And hence, aren't all the modes of storing nuke energy known? On Tuesday, June 6, 2017, Jones Beene wrote: > No, your conclusion is both wrong and short-sighted - and appare

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

animation explaining Joule's apparatus and his calculations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yOhSIAIPRE Harry On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:43 PM, H LV wrote: > > > Joule's apparatus used a spindle with paddles which was turned by a > falling weight outside the calorimeter. The motion of the falli

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

As observed in the Holmlid experiments, LENR energy could be formated into the form of subatomic particles that are hard to detect. These hard to detect subatomic particles could be carrying off any remaining residual LENR based kinetic energy from the reaction site. There may be a method that ca

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > > No ! You seem to be confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions. Heat is >> not being stored but altered reactants are. >> > > Incorrect. Any method of storing energy -- chemical, mechanical, > electrical or nuclear -- m

Re: [Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

Brian Ahern wrote: > After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in a repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can achieve 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5 ... and Bob Cook says I'm too cynical ...

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones Beene wrote: > You are intentionally obfuscating. When hydrogen or deuterium are > densified by giving up angular momentum of the electron orbital - heat is > released. That heat shows up in the excess heat of the reaction along with > nuclear heat, if there is any. > If that is true, it

[Vo]:new thread --- apres Rossi era looming

Jones has identified the lack of significant excess heat fro PdD and NiH systems. After 28 years nobody has succeeded in generating 100 watts excess in a repeatable process. In fact there is no qualified system that can achieve 10 watts excess and a COP > 1.5 Perhaps we are trapped in the wr

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jed Rothwell wrote: No ! You seem to be confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions. Heat is not being stored but altered reactants are. Incorrect. Any method of storing energy -- chemical, mechanical, electrical or nuclear -- must result in a heat deficit. You are intentionally ob

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones Beene wrote: No ! You seem to be confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions. Heat is not > being stored but altered reactants are. > Incorrect. Any method of storing energy -- chemical, mechanical, electrical or nuclear -- must result in a heat deficit. All energy converts to heat. Whether

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jed Rothwell wrote: One expected effect of an experiment which is both storing and releasing excess heat at the same time would be a period of so-called heat-after-death following shut-down. That would only be true if the experiment stored more heat than it releases. That never ha

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Axil Axil wrote: Holmlid needs to pump energy into the ultra dense hydrogen for weeks before mesons begin to be detected. But after that energy was loaded, exposure to lab lights were enough to feed meson production. Now that you mention it - there is a good chance that Holmlid could almost

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones Beene wrote: > One expected effect of an experiment which is both storing and releasing > excess heat at the same time would be a period of so-called > heat-after-death following shut-down. > That would only be true if the experiment stored more heat than it releases. That never happens.

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

I seem to remember Jones remarking how difficult that replicating Holmlid's experiment was because Holmlid needs to pump energy into the ultra dense hydrogen for weeks before mesons begin to be detected. But after that energy was loaded, exposure to lab lights were enough to feed meson production.

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jed Rothwell wrote: I suppose the cathode might have been storing and releasing heat at the same time, but how could you tell with a calorimeter? One expected effect of an experiment which is both storing and releasing excess heat at the same time would be a period of so-called heat-after-d

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones Beene wrote: > Yes... but you still do not get the logical error you are making. > > In any run where there is net gain, there can be regions of heat deficit > which are masked by the overall gain. You cannot assume a homogeneous > electrode. > If there were regions of deficit that exceed

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jed Rothwell wrote: The data says nothing about ongoing nuclear changes which could have reduced the apparent gain in those runs with apparent gain . . . Any nuclear or chemical change must result in a heat deficit. There is no significant heat deficit. Yes... but you still do not ge

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones Beene wrote: No, your conclusion is both wrong and short-sighted - and apparently you > forgot to actually look at the data and go on memory. > > The data in the last Table shows that in run 2, 5.5 MJ of input was > unaccounted for and could have been stored. You clearly missed that, but it

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

No, your conclusion is both wrong and short-sighted - and apparently you forgot to actually look at the data and go on memory. The data in the last Table shows that in run 2, 5.5 MJ of input was unaccounted for and could have been stored. You clearly missed that, but it is the tip of the iceb

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

I wrote: > Energy storage is ruled out because *the data shows that no energy was > stored*. The balance was zero. There was no endothermic phase. There > would have to be such a phase if energy was stored. > You see this with any kind of energy storage, because all energy converts to heat. For

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Jones Beene wrote: > Any calorimeter that can measure a positive exothermic reaction of X watts > can measure an endothermic reaction of -X watts equally well. > > Energy storage is ruled out. > > > Not really ruled out. Let's be exact: energy storage by the conventional > chemical redox reaction