[Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
In following the dots that LENR experimentation has throne like bread crumbs down a long and dark winding road, my journey of the dots has now led me to and then deep inside the nucleus. I now believe I must learn something about how nuclear matter is put together and stays together. The name o

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Danny Ross Lunsford
" - Chopin From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:06 AM Subject: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome In following the dots that LENR experimentation has throne  like bread crumbs down a long and dark winding road, my journey of the dots has now led me to and then deep inside

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
>From the products of transmutation that we see in many LENR experiments, it sure looks to me like the protons and neutrons in the input material are being chopped up, blended together, and reformed into a wide range of both light and heavy output elements. For example, in the Mizuno reaction, i

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Axil Axil wrote: it sure looks to me like the protons and neutrons in the input material are > being chopped up, blended together, and reformed into a wide range of both > light and heavy output elements. ... For example, in the Mizuno reaction, > it looks like th

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
*where we see additions of other elements (copper, iron, etc.) in their natural isotopic ratios, this is due to successive neutron and proton capture reactions, selected for favorable energy release.* The conundrum is that neutrons are NEVER seen in LENR reactions. How can isotopes change without

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Axil Axil wrote: The conundrum is that neutrons are NEVER seen in LENR reactions. How can > isotopes change without the presence of neutrons, The total lack of > neutrons is an important dot to be connected. > Yes -- good point. I'm thinking not of neutron capt

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
more... Lack of neutrons is one of the major barriers to belief in LENR by those who expect isotope change to be a neutron connected process. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > *where we see additions of other elements (copper, iron, etc.) in their > natural isotopic ratios, t

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
stripping implies a multiple reaction mechanism where one neutron produced in the first reaction is used by a second reaction. We would expect to see loads of free neutrons floating around waiting for the second reaction to begin. It looks like there is one monolithic reaction happening where pro

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Foks0904 .
The conundrum is that neutrons are NEVER seen in LENR reactions. What? While they've not been observed in commensuration with the excess heat, to say they're "NEVER seen" is just wrong. Maybe you're only speaking in reference to NiH? You have to be more clear. You seem familiar with Mizuno's work.

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Axil Axil wrote: stripping implies a multiple reaction mechanism where one neutron produced > in the first reaction is used by a second reaction. ... We would expect to > see loads of free neutrons floating around waiting for the second reaction > to begin. > Pl

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Bob Cook
er is hiding. -drl --- "I write a little. I erase a lot." - Chopin From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:06 AM Subject: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome In following the dots that LENR experimentation h

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Bob Cook
In the O-P process what disrupts the glueon bonding of the neutron to the proton to allow their separation? It does not happen very often given the concentration of D in the universe. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Eric Walker Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎June‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎32‎ ‎AM To: vo

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Bob Cook wrote: In the O-P process what disrupts the glueon bonding of the neutron to the > proton to allow their separation? > > It does not happen very often given the concentration of D in the universe. > My best guess (perhaps not even a guess -- random sho

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
The video states that the neutron production is 10,000,000 less than would be expected if neutrons were supporting the LENR reaction and this implies that there is a aneutonic reaction involved in LENR. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Foks0904 . wrote: > The conundrum is that neutrons are NEVE

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
Charge density is limited by the Pauli exclusion principle. In order for a load of electrons to concentrate, electron charge must be delocalized. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Bob Cook > wrote: > > In the O-P process what disrupts the

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
The lack of gamma specks against the Phillips process. The thermalization of the ejected proton would produce gamma radiation which would not be suppressed by the initial LENR reaction. Ego, the Phillips reaction is not a primary reaction mechanism. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Eric Walker

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Axil Axil wrote: Charge density is limited by the Pauli exclusion principle. In order for a > load of electrons to concentrate, electron charge must be delocalized. > Yes -- I take back my remark about charge density. It is probably higher around the nuclei of

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Axil Axil wrote: The lack of gamma specks against the Phillips process. The thermalization > of the ejected proton would produce gamma radiation which would not be > suppressed by the initial LENR reaction. > > Ego, the Phillips reaction is not a primary reaction

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
It would be great if we could find one mechanism that provides the total set of transmutation produces seen in LENR. There is light elements, magic elements like calcium, iron and copper, and heavy elements like lead... and many more. The Philips reaction is not a "one reaction fit all" solution.

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Axil Axil wrote: It would be great if we could find one mechanism that provides the total > set of transmutation produces seen in LENR. ... The Philips reaction is not > a "one reaction fit all" solution. > Agreed. The data do not match simple neutron capture.

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Bob Cook
Does anybody know why the establishment did not invoke the P-O stripping reaction to explain the fusion of two D atoms in the original P-F experiment? It seems that if it were known that D could fuse with C-12 to form C-13 it would be possible for two D to back up to each other, neutron to neut

Re: [Vo]:A new barrier to overcome

2014-06-22 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- Note the following: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/20/empirically-incontrovertible-evidence-for-d-d-cold-fusion-seen-in-accelerator-experiments/ This item also suggests that the electrons of the metallic lattice are important, although it indicates redistribution of energy via phot