[Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not know why I bother but I went to the trouble to post a message here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/06/15/psstt-want-an-e-cat-lenr-generator-for-free/ The point I am making is so elementary it boggles my mind that anyone overlooks it, or disagrees, but people often do. It remi

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-18 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Jed Rothwell" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:28:25 PM > I do not know why I bother but I went to the trouble to post a > message here: > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/06/15/psstt-want-an-e-cat-lenr-generator-for-free/ > Mary Yugo and others here claim that Rossi may be

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher wrote: > Nice post ... but I hear that only the Pig enjoys the mud-wrestling. > It is not addressed to Yugo. It is for the benefit of other readers. I guess there will be readers who do not realize an assertion must be falsifiable. Yugo herself does not realize this. I have point

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
There have been a few responses over at Forbes. I have a feeling these people are reaching the end of the road in some sense. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel. They now make assertions directly contradicted by the paper. Three examples: - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kirk Shanahan published

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Also, Millstone has apparently never heard of the second law of thermodynamics. He keeps insisting we can't be sure the heat originates from inside the cell because they measure the temperature at the outside wall. He said, quote: "The actual E-Cat, supposedly producing the 'excess' heat, was a se

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Also, Millstone has apparently never heard of the second law of > thermodynamics. He keeps insisting we can't be sure the heat originates > from inside the cell because they measure the temperature at the outside > wall. He said, quote: > > "

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
H Veeder wrote: > Irrespective of fraud, he is technically right. We don't know what the > temperature is at the centre of the Ecat. > Yes. I went on to say that. I did not quote my entire response. I also said: ". . . Presumably the anomalous reaction occurred in the inner cylinder, but therm

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "H Veeder" > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:49:37 PM > Irrespective of fraud, he is technically right. We don't know what > the temperature is at the centre of the Ecat. The production of > energy and the transformation of the energy into heat do not have to > occur in the same place.

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher wrote: > From: "H Veeder" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:49:37 PM > > > > Irrespective of fraud, he is technically right. We don't know what > > the temperature is at the centre of the Ecat. . . . > > Not right, because it doesn't matter for a black box test. There's only

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: If the thermalization is on the nickel powder ... then things are > complicated : will the powder melt? > This was one of Joshua Cude's questions. It's a very interesting question. I think it was passed by too quickly during the Armageddon

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-19 Thread Axil Axil
I think that the isothermal temperature mapping will correspond to the extent of the Bose Einstein condensate. The temperature will be equalized inside this condensate. This includes the nickel powder. The fact that the nickel powder does not melt points to the establishment of a BEC. Inside the s

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-20 Thread John Milstone
Since Jed decided to debate me in absentia here on the Vortex, I thought I'd respond. Rothwell said: "No, as Ian Walker already pointed out to you, it says in the Appendix they checked for it. Also they told me they did. Figure 1 shows a direct connection to each of the 3 wires (for voltage) in"

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[This was sent directly to Milstone by accident, because of the way his e-mail response is set up. This happens at Vortex from time to time.] John Milstone > wrote: From the report: "The three-phase power cables were checked and connected directly to

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

2013-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[Sent directly to Milstone by accident] I wrote: 3. In an insulated electric 3-phase cable, all four wires are bundled together under the insulation. Correction: all 5. As noted there is neutral and ground. The point is, you cannot disconnect individual ones without exposing them all.