Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
The link provided was wrong and was not the one intended (for the Mallove ICCF10 pdf) which is here, and is probably on the LENR and IE sites too: http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Mallove_Eugene/mallove1.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
For the record- here is Gene Mallove's older pdf from ICCF10 which references P Graneau, George Hathaway, etc and provides Mallove's take on the water-arc and other energy anomalies - and also J.P. Vigier on the air-arc (COP = ~1.24) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVM-4

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Jones, The destructive results of cavitation resulting in propeller metal erosion is a good indicator of a form of the phenomena described. in this link. It's real , the U-Tube vid demonstrates a form of this. Ditto with sonofusion, SL, etc. The problem has always been to both recover and

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
--- George > No, I have not seen the Lindemann stuff. I'll take a look if you can supply me with a few (Youtube?) web addresses. Here is the first one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMELbK8zDQ This video is tedious at first, but bear with it till he sprays water on the plug in just the rig

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread George Hathaway
Jones Beene wrote: Yes- I thought that there were others who strongly feel that the Graneau results are overblown or non-existent. Thanks for posting that. BTW- George, have you seen anything of particular interest, or even seen at all, the plethora of Lindemann-inspired "water-sparking' videos

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
Yes- I thought that there were others who strongly feel that the Graneau results are overblown or non-existent. Thanks for posting that. BTW- George, have you seen anything of particular interest, or even seen at all, the plethora of Lindemann-inspired "water-sparking' videos which have turned up

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-05 Thread George Hathaway
I published a rebuttal of the Graneau excess-energy claims a letter to the editor of Infinite Energy Magazine V12 #71 2007 (pg 4). In it, I claim that the conclusions which I published together with the Graneaus in Jnl. of Plamsa Physics were not logically able to be derived from the experiment

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
Possible correction: in digging around just now, I have found some recent information from a researcher who has spent a lot of time with the Graneau experiement and thinks (strongly) that it is NOT gainful. There is a thread here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5135.msg112480 > If the

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
--- Terry: > There are two versions of the OneCAT motor, air only and what they are calling bi-energy. The later claims 106 mpg and works off compressed air and a little sip of petrol. Makes sense. It is now August and wouldn't we love to have a video of the Tata production line spewing out Mini

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-04 Thread Nick Palmer
I haven't been following this air car motor at all so I don't know anything about it but if it has a petrol engine riding tandem, so to speak, then maybe they use the waste heat of the petrol engine to heat/expand the compressed air and gain advantage like that? Is that a dopey thing to say?

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-04 Thread Terry Blanton
There are two versions of the OneCAT motor, air only and what they are calling bi-energy. The later claims 106 mpg and works off compressed air and a little sip of petrol. http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-air-fueled-car-coming-by-2008-ar38685.html I don't think they are in production with

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
--- Robin Your analysis of the operation of the diode seems accurate. The addition of the water mist, and its net energy balance, is a key point, however which no one can forecast accurately at this point. This possibility of it being gainful deserves more attention in a perfect-world (if we ha

Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-03 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:32:00 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMELbK8zDQ [snip] Initially the air in the spark gap in non-conducting, and the spark gap is a very large resistance. So the voltage over the spark gap follows the voltage on the

[Vo]:Negre & Graneau

2008-08-03 Thread Jones Beene
What happens if/when the compressed-air for the Negre-Tata MiniCat purposely has a high initial moisture content, and also incorporates an enhanced sparking system - which is applied to the wet-air in the engine (as if it were fuel)? Nothing of any consequence you say? One of these days, someone