Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
Has anyone looked into the details of the global GPS satellite system with regards to how that system does not follow the laws of general and special relativity? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:24 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:28 PM, John Berry

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone looked into the details of the global GPS satellite system with regards to how that system does not follow the laws of general and special relativity? Yes, provided you don't mean personally:

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread John Berry
Here is a snippet from the Navy: Quote: In principle, the critics of GPS in the relativity debate have not been completely wrong. The neglected 7 factor could hurt us. The OCS software should be reformulated. Nevertheless, in practice, neglect of relativity does not now contribute measurably to

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
http://ivanik3.narod.ru/GPS/Hatch/relGPS.pdf And it is here that the Sagnac effect runs into trouble with the special theory. The special theory by postulate and definition of time synchronization requires that the speed of light always be isotropic with respect to the observer. And this is

RE: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I believe that was covered in Galilean Electrodynamics many many years ago. -mark From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:05 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity Has anyone looked into the details of the global GPS satellite

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread H Veeder
Of the six videos, this one is the most important one... [ The Neo-classical Theory of Relativity ] Einstein's incorrect method to synchronize clocks - case (A). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2qYCvw1UiElist=UUek3dPxFThe8FLl-ONbOeVw ...because it uses the same thought experiment described by

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread H Veeder
Sorry, I should have included section 1 _and_ 2 from Einstein's paper. The second section is added below. Harry On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:39 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Of the six videos, this one is the most important one... [ The Neo-classical Theory of Relativity ] Einstein's

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread H Veeder
John, Forget these videos. I just realized they are not a fair critique of special relativity because they don't factor in the the postulate of the constancy of light speed. Harry On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:53 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I should have included section 1

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread John Berry
I agree that video is not terribly useful. Here is an argument against Einstein's scheme of synchronization. Please correct me if you think I am misrepresenting it. We have 3 points in a straight line labelled A, B and C with an equal distance between B and it's 2 neighbours. A pulse of light

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread H Veeder
John, Einstein's conception of simultaneity follows a procedure. The first step in this procedure is to establish clock synchronization in one frame of reference in isolation from a moving system. However, it occurred to me that this first step is not necessary. Instead it is possible to imagine

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread John Berry
Yes, but you will have fun trying to visualize this with SR. SR assumes that each sees the other as length contracted, as clock A and A' pass an observer on each frame at A and A' would disagree as to how long the other is, and hence both would insist that the other ship is shorter ad view that B

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-12 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:28 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but you will have fun trying to visualize this with SR. SR assumes that each sees the other as length contracted, as clock A and A' pass an observer on each frame at A and A' would disagree as to how long the

[Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-11 Thread John Berry
http://www.neoclassicalrelativity.org/ There are 6 simple videos showing arguments against various parts of Special Relativity. http://www.youtube.com/user/NeoclassicRelativity