Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-14 Thread ChemE Stewart
Axil, Axil, Thanks, that is a good paper. I am in the quantum dark/vacuum energy camp and I think we have strings of it decaying in our jet streams. I think the Sun is curling the energy up and sending it our way in the solar wind. These strings ionize the troposphere, charging it up as well a

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-14 Thread Axil Axil
*…more* * * * * *Figure 7 in the reference* * * *http://www.foia.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-091008-049.pdf* * * *This cavity is produced by a magnetic monopole (Micro ball lightning or if you prefer, a vortex current plasmoid)generated by electric discharge. It is the same vortex cur

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-14 Thread Axil Axil
What is happening in lightning both natural and artificial has been produced in the Proton-21 experiments for years now. The gamma and neutron emissions from Proton 21 point to the occurrence of the primary LENR reaction. The secondary LENR reaction involving Bose-Einstein condensation does not

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-14 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Sat, 14 Sep 2013 00:19:44 -0400: Hi, BTW here are a few potential neutron producing reactions:- 14N+15N => 28Si + n + 16.386 MeV 16O+18O => 33S + n + 12.996 MeV 14N+18O => 31P + n + 18.451 MeV 16O+17O => 32S + n + 12.399 MeV 15N comprises 0.365% of natural N. 1

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-14 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Sat, 14 Sep 2013 00:19:44 -0400: Hi, [snip] >the wiki page on lightning says the temperature of lightning (about 50 000 >K) is too low for existing theory to explain the production of x-rays. > Temperature is an average. During the initial phase of a lightning bo

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-14 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Axil Axil wrote: http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.115003 > > Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning [... snip ... ] > We here at vortex know that LENR is an electromagnetic based reaction. > There have been complaints here and elsewhere that o

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-13 Thread Eric Walker
My apologies -- I should have clarified that some of the authors look like researchers that have a history of participation in research related to LENR. I guess that is relevant because it means that the article could just as well have been published in JCMNS (although the article also made it thr

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-13 Thread H Veeder
the wiki page on lightning says the temperature of lightning (about 50 000 K) is too low for existing theory to explain the production of x-rays. Harry On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Eric, > > ** ** > > Since a typical lightning strike is a gigavolt in potential …

RE: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-13 Thread Jones Beene
Eric, Since a typical lightning strike is a gigavolt in potential … with 10 to 20 kilo-amps of current what is the reason to invoke LENR to explain neutrons? These input parameters are more energetic than a tokomak. In fact, this abstract indicates that fast neutrons are detected over 10

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-13 Thread James Bowery
A current problem in plasma physics is that observed reconnection happens much faster than predicted by MHD in high Lundquist number plasmas: solar flares, for example, proceed 13-14 orders of magnitude faster th

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-13 Thread Eric Walker
It's pretty cool that these authors have gotten a LENR-ish paper into Physical Review Letters in 2013. I suspect this paper should be understood to be in the line of LENR papers, proper, rather than that of an outside group looking at something akin to LENR. At least two of the authors, for examp

Re: [Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-13 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Good find! Another perplexing result. The full text preprint is available at - "Observation of neutron bursts produced by laboratory high-voltage atmospheric discharge" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.2521.pdf BTW, the discharge tube is only one meter long. Here is the abstract and conclusion:

[Vo]:Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning

2013-09-12 Thread Axil Axil
http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.115003 Neutron Bursts in Lab Lightning "nuclear reactions occur in lightning. However, physicists have been unable to identify which reactions" ..."which process initiates the discharge is still a matter of debate" We here at vortex k