Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-19 Thread mixent
In reply to John Berry's message of Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:20:48 +1300: Hi, [snip] >Including the energy contained in electric, gravitational and magnetic >potential energy? Yes. (Might as well fall off the end of my limb. ;) A flow of spacetime from one object to another could result in a force

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread John Berry
Including the energy contained in electric, gravitational and magnetic potential energy? Including chemical and nuclear energy? All energy is motion of the vacuum? In what sense can these types of energy be motion of the vacuum? On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:55 PM, wrote: >

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread mixent
In reply to John Berry's message of Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:28:55 +1300: Hi, [snip] >Maybe energy can be created or destroyed in a net manner by some alteration of >the vacuum? All energy comprises vacuum in motion. In order to destroy it, you have to remove the local motion from the universe.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread John Berry
That gives his claim far more credit in my eyes. Gravitational anomalies (and others) occurring with free energy is common enough. And indicates there is something real behind it. John On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:41 AM, H Ucar wrote: > > Hi Robin, > > "My comment is that I

[Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread a.ashfield
I don't know why my original comment appears above the subject. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns up in another thread altogether. H Ucar, I remember reading > a year ago that Yildiz was promised a several day trial in a specially isolated room, but the university backed off. That is what

[Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread H Ucar
Hi Robin, "My comment is that I think it's powered by a resonant connection with the  cyclotron radiation of the protons of the Van Allen belts. IOW Tesla's "wheelwork of nature", but that implies a limited amount of energy available world wide." Mr. Yildiz had mentioned a gravitational

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread John Berry
It is easy to establish how much energy is in a magnetic field. Just see how much energy would need to be used up to establish such a magnetic field with a superconductor coil. Even a superconductor coil requires a voltage to establish a current due to the impedance involved. As such there is a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread John Berry
Can anyone really argue though that the conservation of energy is not merely a general observation and a philosophical concept. It is fine to say "I can't see how it could be done" given the assumption that there is symmetry in the underlying mechanics of simultaneous creation of one energy and

[Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread H Ucar
a.ashfield wrote: "With known science the only way it could work is by using up the potential energy of the permanent magnets" I think the energy related to permanent magnets are overstated. A NdFeB magnet can be demagnetized easily by heating without a spectacular energy outcome.  From

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread mixent
In reply to H Ucar's message of Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:34:25 +0200: Hi Hamdi, [snip] >I did not expected that this issue would be totally ignored here. So >reciprocally, don't blame acedemic community for their own ignorances. My comment is that I think it's powered by a resonant connection with

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread David Roberson
analyzing this subject and might want to offer his advice. Dave -Original Message- From: H Ucar <jjam...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2016 3:46 pm Subject: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Y

[Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread H Ucar
It is a complex situation for sure. It took 6 years for such an document to be publicly available. It is a first in the history for a device of apparently a perpetual machine of the first kind!  The motor I observed running at the convention is a 5 kW design but only one of four of magnetic

RE: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread Jones Beene
It is not ignored. It is a complicated situation. There are NDAs. Like LENR, the technology works on occasion, but not reliably. From: H Ucar I did not expected that this issue would be totally ignored here. So reciprocally, don't blame acedemic community for their own

Re: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread a.ashfield
H Ucar, "I did not expected that this issue would be totally ignored here. So reciprocally, don't blame acedemic community for their own ignorances." I had seen various articles about the Yildiz motor over the years that looked intriguing but often had a sad ending where the promised

[Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

2016-03-14 Thread H Ucar
I did not expected that this issue would be totally ignored here. So reciprocally, don't blame acedemic community for their own ignorances. -- Original message--From: H UcarDate: Sat, Mar 5, 2016 21:36To: vortex-l@eskimo.com;Cc: Subject:Declaration from Eindhoven University of