Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-15 Thread Yamali Yamali
This is like asking anyone would buy a Data General Supernova minicomputer in 1979, knowing that in a few years personal computers would become available with far better price/performance ratios. Analogies like that don't apply. Early computers were expensive but there was no alternative. Yes,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-15 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Yamali, 450 deg C E-Cats 1 MW industrial plants are not 60 deg C 10 kW home E-Cats. You can use just about any coolant at 60 deg C. At 450 deg C you are talking about molten salts. Whole different set of engineering challenges. The home E-Cat is probably just a squashed version of the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-15 Thread Yamali Yamali
450 deg C E-Cats 1 MW industrial plants are not 60 deg C 10 kW home E-Cats You're right, of course. I thought we were talking about the 100 C thing in the shipping container. Where can I find specs for a 450 C version?

[Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Sorry if this was discussed and I missed it but a new set of Rossi says is creating cognitive dissonance in several places. Rossi says on his blog that the price of his so-called megawatt plant has been reduced from $2 million to $1.5 million. But he projects that starting within a year, his

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:54:16 -0800: Hi, I think the price of the 10 kW modules is just a projected price, and is probably more likely to be a manufacturing cost price than what he can really sell them for. Furthermore, I think that when the factory for the small

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
In the interview, Rossi said the customer price would be $500 for a 10 kW E-Cat. AG On 1/15/2012 10:57 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:54:16 -0800: Hi, I think the price of the 10 kW modules is just a projected price, and is probably

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi says the domestic E-Cat is in UL certification. AG On 1/15/2012 10:57 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:54:16 -0800: Hi, I think the price of the 10 kW modules is just a projected price, and is probably more likely to be a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:04:53 +1030: Hi, [snip] In the interview, Rossi said the customer price would be $500 for a 10 kW E-Cat. AG I sincerely hope it is. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Size of a portable computer. Refill works like refilling a ball point pen. AG On 1/15/2012 11:09 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:04:53 +1030: Hi, [snip] In the interview, Rossi said the customer price would be $500 for a 10 kW

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Aussie: Rossi says the domestic E-Cat is in UL certification. Is in UL certification? Not sure I understand the phrase in as it's being used here. Does Rossi mean his eCats are currently being tested for UL certification? How could Rossi's eCats possibly get UL certification this soon?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Aussie: Rossi says the domestic E-Cat is in UL certification. Is in UL certification? Not sure I understand the phrase in as it's being used here. Does Rossi mean his eCats are

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Steven, That is what Rossi has said. Listed to the interview. He is working with UL to get the home unit certified. That means he has the final production unit working as UL don't certify prototypes. They will however work with a company on the final product so as to obtain certification and

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
They will however work with a company on the final product so as to obtain certification and they understand the final product may need some tweaking to get their stamp. Aussie, I confess that at present you have me at a disadvantage. I have not yet listened to the interview. I plan to listen

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Steven, That is what Rossi has said. Listed to the interview. He is working with UL to get the home unit certified. That means he has the final production unit working as UL don't certify prototypes. They will

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Terry, I thought CE certification was largely self certification with the manufacturer claiming his product meets all applicable standards. What way, if it doesn't, a CE certifier doesn't get sued, the manufacturer does. AG On 1/15/2012 1:12 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Steven, I have been involved with UL certification. You first send them a unit for their analysis. Then following their initial report, you make a few changes to tweak the product so it will pass. AG On 1/15/2012 1:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: They will however work

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 7:27 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:54:16 -0800: Hi, I think the price of the 10 kW modules is just a projected price, and is probably more likely to be a manufacturing cost price than what he

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, I thought CE certification was largely self certification with the manufacturer claiming his product meets all applicable standards. What way, if it doesn't, a CE certifier doesn't get sued, the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Harry Veeder
At this time I bet being in certification means Rossi is in discussions with the certifier to see if the test environment can be secured. Harry On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Steven, I have been involved with UL certification. You first send

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jed, Rossi is onto a winner here. Look at the earlier copper pipe Door Knob style reactor. It produced in the 10 to 20 kW range, same as the home E-Cat. Put it in a case, a few fittings for the fluid, small mirco for control, small transformerless power supply, wraparound heater, RFG coil, a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's pricing mismatch is really gross

2012-01-14 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Harry, That is how the UL certification process starts. They do an analysis and give you a prelim report on what needs to be tweaked to get certification. They will work with a company during the development stage as well. Just you need to pay them. AG On 1/15/2012 3:57 PM, Harry Veeder