Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-18 Thread Paul Lowrance
I'm not taking sides, but IMHO there's very little logic in your statement Michel. I would tend to agree Mr. Newman appears to not understand certain physics, but that is by no means proof Newman has not invented or stumbled upon a major discovery. That's like saying the Wright Brothers could

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-12 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to William Beaty's message of Fri, 11 May 2007 20:43:59 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] and if Tesla ever achieved miles-long power transmission as the stories say, I speculate that the device in the patent drawing accidentally harnessed Runaway Breakdown physics. [snip] Everything I've read on

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-12 Thread William Beaty
On Sat, 12 May 2007, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Everything I've read on Tesla Please point out where Tesla gives all the details behind this diagram: http://amasci.com/graphics/tes_radpat3.gif You won't find any. My speculations are based on the assumption that Tesla was very secretive

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-12 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to William Beaty's message of Sat, 12 May 2007 19:32:44 -0700 (PDT): Hi Bill, [snip] On Sat, 12 May 2007, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Everything I've read on Tesla Please point out where Tesla gives all the details behind this diagram: http://amasci.com/graphics/tes_radpat3.gif You

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-11 Thread William Beaty
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: AFAIK there is no such thing as a safe to use paintable beta emitter. I was suggesting a new process. The paint would have to be very thin BTW. A nano powder deposited on a sticky substrate might work best. There are beta emitters with MeV

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-11 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 9 May 2007, leaking pen wrote: in addition, it would only throw the long sparks in the direction of the motion of the seeds, yes no? The direction of such a spark is an interesting issue. Would RB sparks tend to curve, to follow the e-field flux lines of the electrode supplying the high

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-10 Thread leaking pen
wouldnt most safe to use paintable beta emitters have much less energetic particles? On 5/9/07, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to William Beaty's message of Wed, 9 May 2007 11:23:07 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Normally a large Tesla coil sends out fractal plasma streamers:

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-10 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to leaking pen's message of Wed, 9 May 2007 23:08:54 -0700: Hi, [snip] wouldnt most safe to use paintable beta emitters have much less energetic particles? AFAIK there is no such thing as a safe to use paintable beta emitter. I was suggesting a new process. The paint would have to be

[Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread William Beaty
Normally a large Tesla coil sends out fractal plasma streamers: sparks based on electron avalanche of air molecules as well as UV ionization. The tips of the streamers grow relatively slowly, on the order of tens of KPH. However, if supplied with relativistic electrons as a seed, where the

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread leaking pen
what would you use as a source for the seeds? in addition, it would only throw the long sparks in the direction of the motion of the seeds, yes no? so if you were using someting along the lines of a particle beam gun to provide it, you could have a 10 foot sparker that shot 1000 foot arcs in

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 9 May 2007, leaking pen wrote: what would you use as a source for the seeds? A 10MV tesla coil? If Tesla succeeded, his seeds must have come from an unknown source. High energy x-rays are known to come from low-volt vaccum tubes via buildup of surface ions on insulator, leading to

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 9 May 2007, William Beaty wrote: Oops, a line got deleted: ionosphere is the power supply, the Runaway Breakdown spark is like a FET switch, and the Tesla coil is the resonator. But how much energy could be extracted in this way? It might be feeble. However, if the POWER BEING

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread leaking pen
By old death ray idea, i meant your old idea off the amasci site of hooking a tesla coil up to an air cannon using a wave generator and being fed a conductive gas. showy, but not really damaging. And i didnt even think in that direction, in terms of the 10 MV coil. You mention MeV, and my mind

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to William Beaty's message of Wed, 9 May 2007 14:25:28 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Also, here's something odd: Wardenclyffe as an FE device: No instruments have been installed as yet in the transmitter, nor has Mr. Tesla vouchsafed any description of what they will be like. But in his

Re: [Vo]:Runaway Breakdown ionospheric energy tap

2007-05-09 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to William Beaty's message of Wed, 9 May 2007 11:23:07 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Normally a large Tesla coil sends out fractal plasma streamers: sparks based on electron avalanche of air molecules as well as UV ionization. The tips of the streamers grow relatively slowly, on the order of