Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: I haven't taken the time to look into this in detail, but my first impression . . . With all due respect, it is a bad idea to discuss these things without looking into them in detail, and a person's first impressions are likely to be wrong. is that, unless there is

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 25, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: I haven't taken the time to look into this in detail, but my first impression . . . With all due respect, it is a bad idea to discuss these things without looking into them in detail, and a person's first

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: is that, unless there is a typo, it makes no sense at all to attempt to draw the 23.82 MeV line through Fig. 1 . . . That is an expectation value. Here you have missed the point entirely. There is no such expected value of energy per helium atom as a function of

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: is that, unless there is a typo, it makes no sense at all to attempt to draw the 23.82 MeV line through Fig. 1 . . . That is an expectation value. Here you have missed the point entirely. There is no such

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: You can see that the power levels are really not that varied, and there is practically no real-time correlation to the helium. Also bear in mind those are instantaneous power levels, and there is no telling what it was doing in the instant before they were taken. For example, data

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-24 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, Without seeing a lot more heat data, I have to agree, it is difficult to derive any meaning from this and that there is, as you say, practically no real-time correlation to the helium. We also are missing a lot of information about their method of helium sampling. Steve At 08:29 PM

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: Without seeing a lot more heat data, I have to agree, it is difficult to derive any meaning from this and that there is, as you say, practically no real-time correlation to the helium. I have no difficulty deriving meaning from this. Again, maybe I am missing something

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-24 Thread Steven Krivit
(I was amused to see a skeptic the other day suggest that when Rob Duncan visited Energetics Technology, he should have surreptitiously attached a flask to the cell and taken a sample of helium to see if it really is fusion. I told the skeptic you have to design the experiment from the

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 23, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Steven Krivit wrote: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/SRI-Expt-HH/SRI-Experiment- HH.shtml Vorts, I have deliberately not provided any explanation, analysis or interpretation. Instead, I'd like to hear your thoughts first. In particular, I'd like to

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-24 Thread Steven Krivit
I haven't taken the time to look into this in detail, but my first impression is that, unless there is a typo, it makes no sense at all to attempt to draw the 23.82 MeV line through Fig. 1, or to draw any conclusions from the graph as to energy per helium atom produced. Perhaps I'm misreading

[Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-23 Thread Steven Krivit
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/SRI-Expt-HH/SRI-Experiment-HH.shtml Vorts, I have deliberately not provided any explanation, analysis or interpretation. Instead, I'd like to hear your thoughts first. In particular, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the graph drawn by McKubre as

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Steven Krivit's message of Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:51:23 -0800: Hi, [snip] http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/SRI-Expt-HH/SRI-Experiment-HH.shtml Vorts, I have deliberately not provided any explanation, analysis or interpretation. Instead, I'd like to hear your thoughts first. In

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Regarding the graphs here: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/SRI-Expt-HH/SRI-Experiment-HH.shtml With data from this document, pdf p. 165: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/1998epri/TR-107843-V1.PDF I don't see any problem or confusion with this. Maybe I am missing something. The

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: It looks to me like they may have a systematic error of +1 ppb. Therefore I would be inclined to subtract that from all measured values. 1 ppb is at the limits of detection as it says in the document. Obviously these results are very noisy. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-23 Thread Steven Krivit
I don't see any problem or confusion with this. Maybe I am missing something. The bottom graph (Krivit's) is a little confusing. It would be improved with: 1. The error bars. 2. The power on the right y-axis starting at zero. Good ideas Jed. Done. Let me know if that helps clarify. s

Re: [Vo]:SRI Experiment HH

2010-02-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: Let me know if that helps clarify. I think that is clearer. You can see that the power levels are really not that varied, and there is practically no real-time correlation to the helium. Actually, the error bars are probably even larger because the instrument is at the