Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:45 PM 1/25/2010, Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message > From: Stephen A. Lawrence > What we absolutely will *not* see: > > -- A true self-runner, which convinces all but the most pathological of > skeptics. Will not happen -- not from Steorn. Not now, not ever. > This include

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message > From: Stephen A. Lawrence > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:09:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY" > > What we absolutely will *not* see: > > -- A t

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Replication of **WHAT**?? > > They're not demonstrating OU (in any visible form), so what, exactly, is > being replicated? WTF knows! But, If you saw the images, they are there for something. T

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/25/2010 03:55 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:13 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > wrote: > >> I sure hope I'm wrong. > > Me too. It looks like they have two replicants who have joined the > fray from the most recent piccys on their facebook: > > http://www.flick

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:13 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > I sure hope I'm wrong. Me too. It looks like they have two replicants who have joined the fray from the most recent piccys on their facebook: http://www.flickr.com/photos/steornofficial/4304018674/ T

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Hadn't seen that.  I recall seeing a quote from him which seemed to > imply that Orbo was doing 3:1 (unmeasured, of course!) but I can't find > it now, so maybe I'm wrong. No, you are correct. 3:1 was the claim, "For every watt you

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton or some other magnet motor expert can probably tell us what > the minimum excess would be to allow a self-sustaining gadget. That's like being a pink unicorn expert; but, with Sprain, considering the conversion losses and othe

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:09 PM 1/25/2010, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: What we absolutely will *not* see: -- A true self-runner, which convinces all but the most pathological of skeptics. Will not happen -- not from Steorn. Not now, not ever. This includes motors with no external power supply, and motors driven by

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
I gotta hand it to those Steorn folks... Their latest advert is both blunt and dramatic. Steorn's web site sez: "Final Demo: PROVING OVERUNITY Saturday 16.00 GMT at Steorn.com" --- Barring unforeseen "technical difficulties", it is difficult for me to perceive how Steorn could possibly wiggle t

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/25/2010 02:43 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: >>From Mr. Lawrence > >> Either it has been putting out 3:1 or it hasn't. >> >> If it has, why can't they demo 3:1, or rather 2:1 >> mechanical:electrical? (Knock off 100% for the >> amount of input power converted to heat.) Have >>

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Mr. Lawrence > Either it has been putting out 3:1 or it hasn't. > > If it has, why can't they demo 3:1, or rather 2:1 > mechanical:electrical? (Knock off 100% for the > amount of input power converted to heat.) Have > they forgotten how they used to do it? ;-) Someone can correct me if I

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:23 PM 1/25/2010, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Big splashy advert screens are being displayed at steorn.com Sounds like they intend to deliver the final "punch line" this coming Saturday, Jan 30 we shall see... Yup. Unless all their bearings freeze up, the building mysteriously

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
A blogger estimates: The Saturday demo, our sources confide, will be less dramatic - if they can hit 120 percent, or 1.2 watts out for 1 watt in, it'll be a success." If they can hit 120% I believe they could make the thing self-sustaining. The overhead from friction and a capacitor is small.

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/25/2010 02:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Additional noise: > > http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014947o-2000331777b,00.htm > > Exerpt: > > "In the past, Sean has said that the Orbo will manage this to the tune > of 3:1 - in other words, churning out three

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Additional noise: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014947o-2000331777b,00.htm Exerpt: "In the past, Sean has said that the Orbo will manage this to the tune of 3:1 - in other words, churning out three watts for every watt of input. The Saturday demo, our sources confide, will be

Re: [Vo]:STEORN: "THE FINAL DEMO" ... "...PROVING OVERUNITY"

2010-01-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/25/2010 12:23 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Big splashy advert screens are being displayed at steorn.com > > Sounds like they intend to deliver the final "punch line" this coming > Saturday, Jan 30 > > we shall see... > For the record, here are my predictions regarding the