I agree that there is something very interesting going on with
microtubules. I beleive that water has a role to play in this and have
an article exploring this possibility for FtsZ, the procaryotic homolgue
of tubulin, the building block of microtubules. In microtubules this
should provide an
"My Spider Senses are starting to tingle"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kek3GqbsTk
Harry
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> Discovery of Quantum Vibrations in 'Microtubules' Inside Brain Neurons
> Supports Controversial Theory of Consciousness
>
> Jan. 16, 2014 — A revie
Discovery of Quantum Vibrations in 'Microtubules' Inside Brain Neurons
Supports Controversial Theory of Consciousness
Jan. 16, 2014 — A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old
theory of consciousness published in Physics of Life Reviews claims
that consciousness derives from deeper level,
Regarding the state of our souls:
All I noze is that somehow we find ourselves living... and then we die.
While transitioning between these two "quantum" states of existence I
finally began to realize the fact that the universe, to me, is one big
gigantic question mark, one that I will never be a
An interview with Hameroff:
Recent evidence in the last five or six years has come down pretty strongly
> on our side. For example, it’s been discovered that photosynthesis—the
> operation in all plants that give rise to our food, to everything we
> eat—utilizes quantum coherence. . . .
>
If this
Interviews with Hameroff:
http://noetic.org/noetic/issue-thirteen-august/what-is-consciousness-hameroff/
http://www.skeptiko.com/stuart-hameroff-on-quantum-consciousness-and-singularity/
Excerpt from the first:
*"Schlitz:* That brings up the criticism that the brain can’t be a quantum
processor
sial subjects
politely, but I won't suffer insults. Especially from those who are ignorant
of the subject.
- Original Message -
From: Giovanni Santostasi
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
What w
tnessed by all peoples from all
nations.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
Which version of the bible is this?:
"9. And they of the people and kindre
AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Harry, it seems that you as well as other people are always concerned
with
"imposing" a theocratic rule. No one wants a theocratic rule, including
me.
I don't believe any Christian perso
What we know that the authors of the bible were liars, they even lied about
their own identity.
http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God-Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
wrote:
> "Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyo
"Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone admits
that the Bible might contain errors -- a faulty creation story here, a
historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other place. But
is it possible that the problem is worse than that -- that the Bible
actually
One of the main reasons why I'm an atheist is because I have read the
bible. It turns out that atheists are much more knowledgeable in religion
than religious people. It tells a lot that you are resorting to name
calling. Many xians are not even nice people, that is even a stronger
motivation not t
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
> Harry, it seems that you as well as other people are always concerned with
> "imposing" a theocratic rule. No one wants a theocratic rule, including me.
> I don't believe any Christian person is attempting to do that, so your
> concerns are withou
Which version of the bible is this?:
"9. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see
their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead
bodies to be put in graves."
The city in which this happens may simply be cosmopolitan so many of
the local obse
es our society.+
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Harry Veeder"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
>
>
>> I agree that secularism is in crisis, but this doesn't mean we
of Cold Fusion? Read it and find out
> for yourself. How a "goat herder" could have written this by himself
> stretches any credible imagination to the absurd breaking point. LOL.
>
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
> PS. Did I pass your silly little test?
>
: Friday, November 02, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
Dear Jojo,
If you know so well the Bible, please tell me which verse from the Apocalypse
can be interpreted as prediction of the TV and the Internet?
Please answer, do not explain it away. Thanks.
Peter
On Fri,
es actions outside the involvement of God, hence,
he did not breathe into those creatures the breathe of life; hence NOT a living
soul.
I beleive the Bible is clear on this teaching.
Jojo
- Original Message -----
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November
ovanni much more worse
> labels than an "idiot". Find out... read it for yourself and you'll see
> what I mean.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Giovanni Santostasi
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 12:56 PM
&
out... read it for yourself and you'll see what I mean.
- Original Message -
From: Giovanni Santostasi
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
How can anybody in the 21st century still mention the bible for any guidan
If it mans wisdom , your right (bleet,bleet )
If its Gods wisdom, your probably the goat
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:56:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
From: gsantost...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
How can anybody in the 21st century still mention the bible for any
e. You do not transfer software when you transfer a single
>> resistor of a PC into another circuit.
>>
>> Last, my understanding is not of my own origin. I have no intellect to
>> extend "my" theology, since it is not "my" theology to begin with. If you
soul, you have to study the software manual
> that comes with it. You need to study the Bible.
>
>
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Axil Axil
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 4:17 AM
> *Subject:* Re:
- no corruption and injustice that currently
plagues our society.+
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: "Harry Veeder"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
I agree that secularism is in crisis, but this doesn't mean we mu
- Original Message -----
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
Some believe that the soul comes into being when the human egg is fertilized;
aka the moment of conception.
In this way of thinking
e
>> >> level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying his work?
>> >> Why
>> >> would one think he can understand the human soul by studying the
>> >> individual
>> >> ones and zeros of the neurons?
>> >>
>> &
you see the Father " not
>>> long after these words Jesus let them do what they wanted . They crucified
>>> him
>>>
>>> Knowledge says , I now have eternal life , His love has bought me
>>>
>>> Science is great , I enjoy it .
gt; machine code level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying his
>> work? Why would one think he can understand the human soul by studying the
>> individual ones and zeros of the neurons?
>>
>> You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions a
g
>
> Pete
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:17:17 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
> From: janap...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
>
> Some believe that the soul comes into being when the human egg is
> fertiliz
ding
Pete
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:17:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
From: janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Some believe that the soul comes
into being when the human egg is fertilized; aka the moment of conception.
In this way of thinking, with DNA as the softw
t; >>
> >> You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions about the human
> soul.
> >> This issue involves our humanistic prederilection to avoid
> acknowledging the
> >> creator. We try our best to understand ourselves without studying the
> human
> &
--- Original Message -
> *From:* Patrick Ellul
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
>
> If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows
> installed on it, without ever switch
try our best to understand ourselves without studying the human
>> blueprint. Such efforts are always doom to fail, much like the fallacies of
>> Darwinian Evolution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jojo
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Pa
gt;
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Patrick Ellul
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
>
> If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows
> installe
I don't think the experience of Dr. Eben Alexander has been mentioned on Vortex:
http://www.skeptiko.com/eben-alexander-the-medical-mystery-of-near-death-experience/
His is a fascinating story.
t:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:13 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
>
> ** **
>
> Since there have been results of consciousness effecting quantum level
> events multiple times, why should it be so absurd.
>
> ** **
ata to go
along with them.
-Mark Iverson
From: John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:13 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
Since there have been results of consciousness effecting quantum level
events multiple times, w
essage -
From: Patrick Ellul
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows
installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and understand
th
book - the Bible to have a better understanding
> of human behavior.
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
>
Since there have been results of consciousness effecting quantum level
events multiple times, why should it be so absurd.
Based on research and experimentation I am doing it is clear to me that
quantum waves aren't just probability waves but are real waves in an actual
gas/fluid/superfluid aether.
From: "Terry Blanton"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of
consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction,
or Orch-OR. The two actuall
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
> wrote:
>
>> Orch-OR is not the best theory of consciousness.
>
> So, who wins that prize?
Well, while we await Giovanni's response, for those Vorts interested
in the development of the
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [
> I like Penrose. IMO he is the most philosophically sophosticated
physicist in academia today. I wonder ...did Penrose ever say anthing
about CF?
I don't know if he specifically addresses LENR in the modern context, but
even he was negative on CF i
I like Penrose. IMO he is the most philosophically sophosticated
physicist in academia today. I wonder ...did Penrose ever say anthing
about CF?
Harry
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
wrote:
> I love Roger Penrose great thinker. Hameroff is too out there. I think
> Penrose h
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
wrote:
> Orch-OR is not the best theory of consciousness.
So, who wins that prize?
I love Roger Penrose great thinker. Hameroff is too out there. I think
Penrose has dissociated from Hameroff because he went too far.
Orch-OR is not the best theory of consciousness. It has been debunked in
many different ways.
Giovanni
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:37 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
> If
If Neurons can sense Neutrinos it makes sense to me we could "synch up"
Stewart
darkmattersalot.com
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of
> consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduct
I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of
consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction,
or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir
Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who
specialized in anesthesia and ca
Horrible and absurd nonsense.
Giovanni
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/soul-after-death-hameroff-penrose_n_2034711.html
>
> How far fetched is this?
>
> "According to Dr. Hameroff, in a near-death experience, when the heart
> sto
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/soul-after-death-hameroff-penrose_n_2034711.html
How far fetched is this?
"According to Dr. Hameroff, in a near-death experience, when the heart
stops beating, the blood stops flowing, and the microtubules lose their
quantum state, the quantum information
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