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rimary phenomenon.* >> >> >> >> *In the field of complex systems, the term epiphenomenon tends to be used >> interchangeably with "emergent effect".* >> >> >> >> *--------------------* >>

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See* > > > > *Spasers explained* > > > > *http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/stockman/data/Spaser_Chapter.pdf > <http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/stockman/data/Spaser_Chapter.pdf>* > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Arnaud Kodeck > wrote: > >> Axil, >> >> >> >> Where can I find the presentation of Kim at ICCF18? >> >> >> -- >> >> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* mardi 30 juillet 2013 16:38 >> *To:* vortex-l >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) >> >> >> >> Defkelion has mentioned nanoplasmonics in their ICCF-18 via Kim this >> year. You best begin your study of this area of scienceto understand >> LENR. >> > >

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote: I can see you a paper if you are interested. But it is very large and very > hard to understand. Are you up for that? > Not if it is hard to understand. But no doubt you understand it and can help us along. Eric

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The patent is a NASA patent. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > If you keep up on how the W&L theory is changing, they are also > referencing nanoplasmonics. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> See the NASA patent for LENR. It claims that polaritons

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If you keep up on how the W&L theory is changing, they are also referencing nanoplasmonics. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > See the NASA patent for LENR. It claims that polaritons are the active > agent in their reaction. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Axil Axil w

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Axil Axil wrote: See the NASA patent for LENR. It claims that polaritons are the active > agent in their reaction. > Yes, it would seem that Zawodny and Bushnell have a certain idea about what is going on. (Note that they're not the same as NASA.) Eric

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I can see you a paper if you are interested. But it is very large and very hard to understand. Are you up for that?

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See the NASA patent for LENR. It claims that polaritons are the active agent in their reaction. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > So does NASA > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote: >> >> You are not

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So does NASA On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > You are not doing your homework. Defkelion is claiming nanoplasmonics is >> at the bottom of their reaction. >> > > Yes, I see that this is what Defkalion claim. > > Eric

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote: You are not doing your homework. Defkelion is claiming nanoplasmonics is at > the bottom of their reaction. > Yes, I see that this is what Defkalion claim. Eric

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I have some posts on the deeper layers of my theory as follows: http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6030#p102654 this post links to some others http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6000#p102568 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Chuck Site

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I guess one of the reasons I just don't get the Rydberg atom hypothesis, is that mainly has to do with the electron orbitals and not the nuclear state. That's my understanding at least. Perhaps Kim's paper will enlighten how the nuclei interact to show a strong interaction; one that follows E=m

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You are not doing your homework. Defkelion is claiming nanoplasmonics is at the bottom of their reaction. http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/ManningIE110.pdf I quote: *However, readers who are aware of nanoplasmonics—a* * * *new area of science dealing with the interaction of photons*

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Eric, You might be interested to know that your suggestion (p + d -> 3He + Q) is the same as that proposed - based on the fact that p + Ni would form "hard gammas" which are not observed - by Prof. Kim in his ICCF18 talk. Based on this he has suggested that Defkalion try varying the heavy hydro

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Axil Axil wrote: What creates the huge magnetic and electric fields? You are way. way off > the mark. Something is happening that you don't yet know about. I suggest > you study nanoplasmonics. > Perhaps I will, once I'm looking for something to do that is unrela

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What creates the huge magnetic and electric fields? You are way. way off the mark. Something is happening that you don't yet know about. I suggest you study nanoplasmonics. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > > Note that f

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We have more information about the heat pulse(plasma activation mechanism) from the Rossi reactor because we have a picture of the temperature pulse profile. The spark and the primary heater do the same function, they both build nanoparticles. Has anybody profiled Rossi heat pulse in terms of dura

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Eric Walker wrote: Note that for acceleration, you need electrostatic charge -- ionized > hydrogen or, if you go along with the Defkalion paper, Rydberg hydrogen. > I take that back; there may be no need for acceleration. It might be sufficient for the hydrogen e

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > >1. p+p -> p+p "reversible" fusion, along the lines of Jones's >hypothesis. >2. p+e+p -> d, along the lines of Ed's hypothesis. >3. p+d -> 3He + Q (5.5 MeV) (my own favorite) >4. p+Ni -> Cu (as suggested by Rossi a long tim

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Chuck Sites wrote: To me, it looks like the device ionizes H gas and accelerates it into the > (special) Ni lattice. If the Ni is ground. > Yes -- it does look like that. Note that for acceleration, you need electrostatic charge -- ionized hydrogen or, if you g

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Well you have a good point Eric, Why there wasn't a simple Geiger counter available considering what is being investigated is a possible nuclear effect? To me, it looks like the device ionizes H gas and accelerates it into the (special) Ni lattice. If the Ni is ground. If it's hot fusion then th

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20% Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 22:34:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) From: cbsit...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com If I heard right during the demonstration, the spark was 11 pulses per minute, but I didn't hear a duty cycle mentioned. On Tue, Jul 30, 20

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If I heard right during the demonstration, the spark was 11 pulses per minute, but I didn't hear a duty cycle mentioned. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The spark (plasma activation mechanism) lasts for 12 seconds. The reaction > is then active for about 6 minutes. This can

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The spark (plasma activation mechanism) lasts for 12 seconds. The reaction is then active for about 6 minutes. This cannot be a hot fusion mechanism. The spark produces nanoparticles that are gradually consumed, It is LENR for sure. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Chuck Sites wrote: > Very i

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Chuck Sites wrote: If that is the case, then this is more of a hot fusion processes, a > controlled bombardment of the Ni/H lattice. > If it was hot fusion, Mats Lewan would be dead from the neutrons and gammas. It must either have been chemical, or it was nucle

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Very interesting discussions. Thanks Axil for the two links in your earlier note.. I saw the video, but I wasn't aware of the paper presentation that described the isotopic shifts. So far, it looks like a very convincing experiment that looks to have nuclear origins. There are so many interes

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Arnaud Kodeck wrote: As said before by Jed, this is a full list of theoretical speculations put > one after another one. There no experiments that confirm their speculations. > This list is an informal discussion. There is no harm in saying anything here. I am referring to a paper published by

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rybody can make theory. Only Defkalion can make the final proof or rejection. _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: mardi 30 juillet 2013 22:41 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) What does proof buy you. When someone tells you somethin

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say. > > ** ** > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* mardi 30 juillet 2013 18:46 > > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) > > > ** ** > > *http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-day-5-pres

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Defkalion is making a lot of claims without proof of what they say. _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: mardi 30 juillet 2013 18:46 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-day-5-presentations-and

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> > Where can I find the presentation of Kim at ICCF18? > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* mardi 30 juillet 2013 16:38 > *To:* vortex-l > > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkc

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Axil, Where can I find the presentation of Kim at ICCF18? _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: mardi 30 juillet 2013 16:38 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) Defkelion has mentioned nanoplasmonics in their ICCF-18 via Kim this

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l Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) You are beginning to sound like Mary Yugo, such mistrust of your fellow LENR enthusiasts does not become you. Faith, faith, you need faith.     On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Je

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You are beginning to sound like Mary Yugo, such mistrust of your fellow LENR enthusiasts does not become you. Faith, faith, you need faith. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > >> >> Defkelion has mentioned nanoplasmonics in their ICCF-18 via Kim this >> ye

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Axil Axil wrote: > > Defkelion has mentioned nanoplasmonics in their ICCF-18 via Kim this year. > You best begin your study of this area of scienceto understand LENR. > They mention this, they mention that. Where is the experimental proof? They mentioned that the tried isotopically pure samples

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In engineering, systems work based on solid well researched principles of operations. Defkelion has mentioned nanoplasmonics in their ICCF-18 via Kim this year. You best begin your study of this area of scienceto understand LENR. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, J

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: This bothers me. As I said before, this looks like theoretical speculation > which is not backed up with either rigorous experiments or theory equations. > It bothers me too. > They talk about "'excited' hydrogen atoms in a Rydberg state." H

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*"'excited' hydrogen atoms in a Rydberg state." How do they know these exist? * * * *Dr. Miley has measured this type of hydrogen in cavities of iron oxide. He has shown that these cavities are superconducting.* * * On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > >

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y, July 30, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo) Axil Axil wrote: did you read? >  >http://www.slideshare.net/ssusereeef70/2012-0813-iccf17-paperdgtgx This bothers me. As I said before, this looks like theoretical speculation which is not backed up with

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Axil Axil wrote: did you read? > > http://www.slideshare.net/ssusereeef70/2012-0813-iccf17-paperdgtgx > This bothers me. As I said before, this looks like theoretical speculation which is not backed up with either rigorous experiments or theory equations. They talk about "'excited' hydrogen atom

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I wasn't there and I don't know how their reactor is set up but I know that they are constantly monitoring reactor pressure and they could easily wire a kill switch, so that if a sudden rise in reactor pressure occurred it would kill the H.V. plasma/spark. No spark, no reaction, pressure drops.

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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Chuck Sites wrote: > Hi All, Wow! > >I've been watching and thinking about the Delkcalion (cold fusion?) > experiment, and wondered what you guys thought was actually happening there. > It was a great demonstration. That small device certainly seemed to get

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did you read? http://www.slideshare.net/ssusereeef70/2012-0813-iccf17-paperdgtgx On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Chuck Sites wrote: > Hi All, Wow! > >I've been watching and thinking about the Delkcalion (cold fusion?) > experiment, and wondered what you guys thought was actually happeni

[Vo]:The recent ICCF18 (Defkcalion Demo)

Hi All, Wow! I've been watching and thinking about the Delkcalion (cold fusion?) experiment, and wondered what you guys thought was actually happening there. It was a great demonstration. That small device certainly seemed to get wildly hot. If H gas + some nano-NI powder generated that mu