Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-14 Thread John Berry
There are claims (from multiple unrelated sources) of matter which 'stops existing' and yet the energy from that is not what you might assume. (not explosive in the least) Not to say that a matter antimatter reaction would not be as powerful as imagined, but I don't think that conventional science

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
My definition of a nuclear reaction states that if transmutation is found then it must be nuclear. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:28 AM, John Berry wrote: > What if it works and the energy source isn't Nuclear? > > Or possibly that it in Nuclear but it is an entirely different to what we > know? > >

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-13 Thread John Berry
What if it works and the energy source isn't Nuclear? Or possibly that it in Nuclear but it is an entirely different to what we know? IMO that it is anomalous and makes no sense makes it more likely to be real. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The multi-H reaction could be

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
The multi-H reaction could be producing vast amounts of nickel because of its magic number. But no one can really tell how much nickel participates in the reaction including Rossi. Regards. Axil On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM, wrote: > In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 13 May 2011 1

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 13 May 2011 18:49:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] >I believe that the Ni-H theory that Rossi advertizes is invalid and I hold >that fusion of multi H is occurring. There is no reason why this would result in Copper, but it would make sense for it to result in Nickel,

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
I believe that the Ni-H theory that Rossi advertizes is invalid and I hold that fusion of multi H is occurring. The same reaction that produces transmutation in the pure carbon/water experiment is at work in the Rossi reaction. This involves activation of H- ions and clustering under the infl

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thanks, Kyle. I didn't check your math, but I bet it's correct. It fits with the general picture. (And the conclusion is pretty funny, really...) I still want to know how come we haven't seen a sample of anything from Rossi which didn't show natural isotope ratios. Rossi's claimed to hav

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > I have already communicated with Rossi on this matter, and he admits there > is a > "typo" in the patent application. > Imagine making a typo in a patent application! What an amateur thing to do. Disgraceful. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 16:09:30 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >That's not fission level energy, or even fusion level energy. That's talking >within the order of magnitude of converting rest mass directly into energy. > >Assuming by ton of oil he means 'tonne of oil equ

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 9:31:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent > > V, > > Double checked my math after thinking about it. Unless I am missing > something, >that is the way it is. > > No one has anything to say on th

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Kyle Mcallister
V, Double checked my math after thinking about it. Unless I am missing something, that is the way it is. No one has anything to say on this? You can't even get this kind of energy by fusing up the chain all the way from hydrogen to nickel-56 as happens in massive stars, as far as I know, thoug

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Mon, 5/9/11, Terry Blanton wrote: > He then claims that 58 g of Ni provides the equivalent > energy of > 30,000 tons of oil with the strangest calculation that > begins with 10 > MeV of energy per reaction.  This is converted to mass > equivalent, > multiplied by Avogadro's number and, usi

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Terry Blanton
The Rossi US patent application is quite a piece of work. He claims both fusion and fission reactions occur in the cell: [0069] In particular, said graphs clearly show that zinc is formed, whereas zinc was not present in the nickel powder originally loaded into the apparatus said zinc being actua

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I ocr'ed and uploaded the 2010 Piantelli patent as well: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PiantelliSmethodforp.pdf I do not know why these things are not ocr'ed at the WIPO website. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I OCR'ed and uploaded the U.S. patent application. It might be a little different. It is hard to compare. It is dated January 2011: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf If this is what the Italian P.O. approved, it isn't very helpful. - Jed

[Vo]:This may be the entire patent

2011-05-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a link from the NyTeknik article: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20110113&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=2011005506A1&KC=A1 This is the U.S. application. My guess is that this is the whole thing. I suppose that if it has been revised, the rev