Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
The meson data is consistent with the predictions made using SR, and so can be viewed as supporting it. Other interpretations are certainly possible, however, and this experiment, alone, certainly doesn't *prove*that time dilation occurs; to claim so is to step way outside the bounds of

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: The meson data is consistent with the predictions made using SR, and so can be viewed as supporting it. Other interpretations are certainly possible, however, and this experiment, alone, certainly doesn't *prove*that time dilation occurs; to claim so is to step way

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
They ran it with an sr71 and a ground based clock. I can find no evidence for this online, so we have to go by what my father (a marine at the base the experiment was ran from) told me he was told by his friend, who, while not the pilot for that experiment, was a pilot for other experiments run

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: They ran it with an sr71 and a ground based clock. I can find no evidence for this online, so we have to go by what my father (a marine at the base the experiment was ran from) told me he was told by his friend, who, while not the pilot for that experiment, was a

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: AFAIK the experiment using atomic clocks on airplanes has been done just once, and used clocks flown on commercial airliners for two single trips around the world, going in opposite directions. Oh, it's happening every

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
I wish I could. all i have is stories my father told me when i was a kid. I also no longer have the pic of myself as a baby in 81 sitting in the cockpit of one of the pre-production apaches... Sigh. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: Alexander Hollins

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread leaking pen
So... I think i followed all the math on that, very simple math, thank you! and, my original didnt start with lights being turned on with the ship passing the station, but that DOES simplify things. thanks! So... What your saying is that if you take into account time dilation, the light DOES

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: So... I think i followed all the math on that, very simple math, thank you! and, my original didnt start with lights being turned on with the ship passing the station, but that DOES simplify things. thanks! So... What your saying is that if you take into account

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread leaking pen
So, its not velocity that causes time dillation, thats simply a convenient way of reffering to it. Its the difference in actual space traveled during the interval compared to going in a geodesic, or straight line? which, honestly, is a sum of the velocities of the trip of the non geodesic

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread fznidarsic
I have a paper out on Special Ralativity.? It covers velocity related time dialation. It was formulated from the observables see in cold fusion experiments http://www.wbabin.net/science/znidarsic.pdf enjoy Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Michael Crosiar
I also want to thank you Stephen for your detailed reply to leaking pen. I do want to understand all of this as well, but it will take me a while to digest! You can view it that way, but it's a little hazardous, because time dilation isn't really just a simple number. So is time dilation a

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Alexander Hollins
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Michael Crosiarcrosia...@yahoo.com wrote: I also want to thank you Stephen for your detailed reply to leaking pen. I do want to understand all of this as well, but it will take me a while to digest! You can view it that way, but it's a little hazardous, because

[Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: ... time dilation isn't really just a simple number. Hi All, 6-8-09 Here are some thoughts on time dilation. Jack Smith --- Quoting from Relational Mechanics by Andre K. T. Assis, 1999 (This book can be purchased at Amazon.com.) p. 132 It is

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: ... time dilation isn't really just a simple number. Hi All, 6-8-09 Here are some thoughts on time dilation. Jack Smith ... It is usually stated that this dilation of the proper time of a body in motion has been proven by

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: In the case of the HK experiment, there's so little doubt as to the result which would obtain with a correctly done experiment that nobody's bothered to try to replicate it, AFAIK. (Note that if physics researchers in general were in much doubt about the results

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: In the case of the HK experiment, there's so little doubt as to the result which would obtain with a correctly done experiment that nobody's bothered to try to replicate it, AFAIK. (Note that if physics researchers in general were

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Thanks for posting that. I forwarded the Assis quote to another group. Harry - Original Message - From: Taylor J. Smith tj...@centurytel.net Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 5:05 pm Subject: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time Stephen A. Lawrence

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-08 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time Taylor J. Smith wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: ... time dilation isn't really just