RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-02-21 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
-Original Message- From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:48 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? I know this has been discussed in the past years, but I'd like to put

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-11 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Harry wrote: On the contrary, don't you think it is indicative that positive and negative charge are more than simply opposites of each other? The difference between the charges is related to mass and

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 01/09/2012 11:13 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Thanks Mauro, Would you say that the number of protons and electrons being ejected from the sun remains relatively equal? I was just thinking about that. I think that the total number of expelled protons must be greater

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Mauro: I was just thinking about that. I think that the total number of expelled protons must be greater than the number of electrons, to effectively establish an overall electric current with the surroundings, which tries to compensate for the charge disbalance. ... If something like

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread Mauro Lacy
From Mauro: I was just thinking about that. I think that the total number of expelled protons must be greater than the number of electrons, to effectively establish an overall electric current with the surroundings, which tries to compensate for the charge disbalance. ... If something

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Mauro, ... I think the problem is with the electrostatic idea... if there are electric currents, then there isn't an electrostatic situation. There's nothing static in a system like the Sun and the Solar System. Ah! THAT's what I missed in my prior speculation. Thanks for bringing it

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok... Mark, Terry. thanks. I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread Harry Veeder
that is a non-answer, then you are probably in the younger-gen! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? On Mon, Jan 9, 2012

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I know this has been discussed in the past years, but I'd like to put this thought out there for the Vorts who joined in the last 12 months... What is electric 'charge'? Yes, yes, I know what it is according

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-10 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
10, 2012 8:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I know this has been discussed in the past years, but I'd like to put this thought out

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Jones Beene
There is a net electrostatic charge in the solar corona, as well as in the solar interior. You are aware of the Millsean explanation, for the corona. I have a better citation than this, which I can’t find at the moment. This one will lead you deeper or you can google “electrostatic charge of

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Thanks, Jones. I read the paragraph. I'm not surprised read that the paper states ...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later. Meanwhile, yes, I am basically aware of Mills' explanation of the corona, having

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Addendum: Let me add that my understanding of gravitation forces is based on applying Newton's famous square of the distance formula. But does the same square of the distance law govern the measured forces of charged particles as well? I was assuming that was indeed the case. But I could be dead

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson I'm not surprised read that the paper states ...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later. ... Oh… you mean that 918 turns out to be half of a

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jones sez: I'm not surprised read that the paper states ...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later. ... Oh… you mean that 918 turns out to be half of a particular value that makes it seem to be rather

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, for number-freaks in general - 918 is one of those 'pregnant' numbers with Platonic significance ... and in the context of 1836, it comes up from time to time in alternative energy - often wrt Hotson's epo field. Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ...

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread David Roberson
how the force behaves at a large distance. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? Jones sez: I'm

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jones sez: Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ... http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg00349.html Ah yes, a classic Jones essay, vintage 2004. I enjoyed reading it... again? Kind of like statisticians hunt'in for wild hairs. Regards Steven Vincent

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Nigel Dyer
And in that context, some years ago I acquired one of a very few copies of a book which contained some ideas from 1952 about the relationship between the masses of various particles, which includes a derivation of the magic 1836.1 http://nigel.thedyers.org.uk/Jessup/ Nigel -Original

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From David: Attractive forces between two charges is related to 1/r^2 or the second order. Hmmm. Then the sauce is getting thicker for me. ;-) A dipole type structure has a different law, but that is not what you seem to be talking about. Regarding dipoles, According to Wiki:

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Harry Veeder
The ratio is not exactly 1836. from wikipedia In physics, the proton-to-electron mass ratio, μ or β, is simply the rest mass of the proton divided by that of the electron. Because this is a ratio of like-dimensioned physical quantity, it is a dimensionless quantity, a function of the

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? From David: Attractive forces between two charges is related to 1/r^2

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Harry sez: The ratio is not exactly 1836. I realize that Harry. I got the 1836 number from the same Wiki article. I rounded the measured value to an integer for expediency. Nothing more. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
- Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? Jones sez: Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ... http://www.mail

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Harry Veeder
The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not dimensionless. Harry On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Harry sez: The ratio is not exactly 1836. I

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Harry: The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not dimensionless. Can you clarify what is implied when using the term dimension and dimensionless here. It doesn't compute for me. Regards Steven Vincent

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? From Harry: The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not dimensionless. Can you clarify what is implied when

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify what is implied when using the term dimension and dimensionless here. The mass of the proton is 1836 x the mass of the electron. It's a multiplication factor. No units. T

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Ok... Mark, Terry. thanks. I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be different interpretations. Semantics can be quite disconcerting to a dyslexic. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok... Mark, Terry. thanks. I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be different interpretations. Think of it this way: a proton might be composed of 1836 electrons. Add

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:41 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? Ok... Mark, Terry. thanks. I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be different

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: Think of it this way:  a proton might be composed of 1836 electrons. Add one more and you have a neutron! Yup. Got that part. Knew that recipe eons ago. Still, I suspect semantics is still getting in the way of what I'm trying to describe. In a nutshell, I'm wondering if the

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 01/09/2012 02:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Thanks, Jones. I read the paragraph. I'm not surprised read that the paper states ...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the corresponding stellar gravity... More on that later. Meanwhile, yes, I am

Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun? From Harry: The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not dimensionless. Can you clarify what is implied when using

RE: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?

2012-01-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thanks Mauro, Would you say that the number of protons and electrons being ejected from the sun remains relatively equal? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks