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Jed, Thank you for taking some time out to answer this query. A willingness to share your knowledge of certain historical events is much appreciated. Regarding Rossi, will history repeat itself, again? I suspect we must wait for some more shoes to drop for the definitive answer. All I can say is

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OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Regarding the Right Brothers, when proof became irrefutable that > their contraption could fly under power, how did some of the most > ardent (and well known) skeptics deal with the news? I'm curious as to > what kind of follow-up might have been performed on

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Marcello Vitale wrote: The Wright brothers were certainly complicit in the lack of attention they > received. Fearful of competitors stealing their ideas, and still without a > patent, they flew on only one more day after October 5. From then on, they > refused to fly anywhere unless they had a f

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > ** > Now, I'd agree that believing in BLP requires a certain level of trust > This string isn't about BLP but BLP has a lot of the hallmarks of a scam. It could also be a delusion and I suppose there is a still a vanishingly tiny c

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In any case, it doesn't make sense to call Ampenergo as one of the (supposedly) scammed parts. The deal with AP was to sell the e-cat in the name of AR's company, so they should actually be the front gate of a scam. 2011/11/16 Terry Blanton > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Rocha > wro

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On 11-11-16 10:43 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Marcello Vitale > wrote: To the hard-core skeptics, two questions: - did man actually set foot on the moon? Compare and contrast level of proof. I agree, the moon-landing r

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Ampenergo is owned by his wife. No: "This was confirmed by Andrea Rossi’s wife, Maddalena Pascucci who is a commerce graduate and manages the commercial part of the energy catalyzer. Formally, the agreement was made between Praxen and the I

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Marcello Vitale wrote: > There is the only problem with the investment story that it does not > appear to be true. The only source of money Krivit cites is Ampenergo, that > is Rossi himself. > > > That may be the only source that he claims succeeded, and I don't

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Ampenergo is owned by his wife. 2011/11/16 Marcello Vitale > There is the only problem with the investment story that it does not > appear to be true. The only source of money Krivit cites is Ampenergo, that > is Rossi himself. > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> >> >>

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There is the only problem with the investment story that it does not appear to be true. The only source of money Krivit cites is Ampenergo, that is Rossi himself. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Marcello Vitale wrote: > >> >> To the hard

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> I agree, the moon-landing requires some trust, because there is no way for > us to witness it directly. > Maybe. But if you've seen a Saturn V launch, as have hundreds of thousands if not millions, you have to be impressed that some considerable chunk of mass is traveling very fast moonward. A

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Marcello Vitale wrote: > > To the hard-core skeptics, two questions: > > - did man actually set foot on the moon? Compare and contrast level of > proof. > I agree, the moon-landing requires some trust, because there is no way for us to witness it directly. But the

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Mary Yugo pointed out that other energy scams make money by accepting secret investments from carefully selected credulous people, who have to sign iron clad nondisclosure agreements... this can go on for years... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Marcello Vitale wrote: > Also in the same, rather

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Also in the same, rather short, wikipedia article, one can read of the furious patent dispute (on the mechanism to steer the planes, not on lift, by the way), of the disrepute that befell the brothers because of their perceived greed, and of the refusal (for 40 years! ) of the Smithsonian to recogn

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Am 16.11.2011 14:28, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson: From Marcello, The Wright brothers were certainly complicit in the lack of attention they received. Fearful of competitors stealing their ideas, and still without a patent, they flew on only one more day after October 5. From th

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Let me repeat that I started this thread to discern what might have been reported from ardent skeptics AFTER it had been determined beyond reasonable doubt that the Wright Brothers [Sorry about that blatant misspelling of "Wright" with "Right" in my original post... Hadn't had my cup'o'Java.] had s

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>From Marcello, > The Wright brothers were certainly complicit in the lack of attention > they received. Fearful of competitors stealing their ideas, and still > without a patent, they flew on only one more day after October 5. From > then on, they refused to fly anywhere unless they had a firm co

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Marcello Vitale wrote: > Gee, I guess their behavior seems highly suspicious :-))) > It seemed a little evasive, but in spite of that, in 1904 the prestigious journal Science wrote: "The newspapers of December 18 contained the announcement that Wilbur Wright had

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from the wikipedia article about the Wright brothers. about the first flight in 1903 "The Wrights sent a telegram about the flights to their father, requesting that he "inform press." However, the *Dayton Journal* refused to publish the story, saying the flights were too short to be important. Mea

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:45 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jed, > > Since you are a pretty decent historian on a number of events... > > Regarding the Right Brothers, when proof became irrefutable that their > contraption could fly under power, how did som