Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-14 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: The most common approach to the problem was to postulate an aether which carried the EM waves, and then try to patch things up so that Maxwell's equations would still work. This approach had the large advantage that it did *not* require reforming the common view of

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-14 Thread Harry Veeder
on 14/9/08 8:25 am, Stephen A. Lawrence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: The most common approach to the problem was to postulate an aether which carried the EM waves, and then try to patch things up so that Maxwell's equations would still work. This approach had the

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-14 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: on 14/9/08 8:25 am, Stephen A. Lawrence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: The most common approach to the problem was to postulate an aether which carried the EM waves, and then try to patch things up so that Maxwell's equations would still work. This

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-14 Thread Harry Veeder
on 14/9/08 4:19 pm, Stephen A. Lawrence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: on 14/9/08 8:25 am, Stephen A. Lawrence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: The most common approach to the problem was to postulate an aether which carried the EM waves, and then

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-14 Thread Remi Cornwall
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7206/abs/nature07121.html It's dawning on the mainstream gradually. This is what I meant by fundamental science (and useful, truthful science) being done on a shoestring on a bench top.

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-13 Thread Harry Veeder
on 6/9/08 10:16 pm, Stephen A. Lawrence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a frame of reference movingat C the traveling wave no longer looks like a solution to Maxwell'sequations, because @E/@t

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:29:00 -0400: Hi, [snip] They (apparently) oscillate, which, at least according to my limited and rather primitive understanding of relativity theory, means time passes for them, which suggests

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-06 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:12:25 -0400: Hi, Thanks, that helped. However it raises another question. What about circularly polarized radiation? [snip] This makes me wonder how an ordinary photon manages to go through umpteen cycles between source and

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-06 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Robin van Spaandonk's message of Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:45:47 +1000: Hi, Don't bother answering this, I get it. [snip] In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:12:25 -0400: Hi, Thanks, that helped. However it raises another question. What about circularly

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:12:25 -0400: Hi, Thanks, that helped. However it raises another question. What about circularly polarized radiation? Well ... Looking at it classically, the same description applies to circular

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-06 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008 8:12 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:29:00 -0400: Hi, [snip] They (apparently

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a frame of reference movingat C the traveling wave no longer looks like a solution to Maxwell'sequations, because @E/@t = @B/@t = 0. The way out of this box chosen in special relativity

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-05 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 4, 2008, at 4:45 PM, OrionWorks wrote: From the report: How can black holes have gravity when nothing can get out because escape speed is greater than the speed of light? Always wondered about that conundrum. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:12:01 -0800: Hi, [snip] I posted a message, then went shopping. I just got back, and discovered this post from Horace. :) [snip] Given that graviphotons carry no charge, and have a very weak coupling to electrostatic charge, i.e. to

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:05:13 -0800: Hi, [snip] First, let me be very clear that I said neutrinos may be comprised of graviphotons, not gravitons the messenger particles. [snip] ...and that's exactly what I meant. Is it possible that neutrinos and graviphotons

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:05:13 -0800: Hi, [snip] First, let me be very clear that I said neutrinos may be comprised of graviphotons, not gravitons the messenger particles. [snip] ...and that's exactly what I meant. Is it

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-05 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:05:13 -0800: Hi, [snip] First, let me be very clear that I said neutrinos may be comprised of graviphotons, not gravitons the messenger particles. [snip] ...and that's exactly

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:29:00 -0400: Hi, [snip] They (apparently) oscillate, which, at least according to my limited and rather primitive understanding of relativity theory, means time passes for them, which suggests pretty strongly that their speed must

[Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-04 Thread Jones Beene
For those who haven't seen it: The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research [as published in Physics Letters A 250:1-11 (1998)] http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp hint: this is not a pdf file but gavity is pdf (pretty damn fast)

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-04 Thread OrionWorks
Jonse sez: For those who haven't seen it: The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research [as published in Physics Letters A 250:1-11 (1998)] http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp hint: this is not a pdf file but gavity is pdf (pretty damn

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-04 Thread R C Macaulay
. Richard - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf OrionWorks wrote How can black holes have gravity when nothing can get out because escape speed is greater than

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-04 Thread Jones Beene
OrionWorks wrote How can black holes have gravity when nothing can get out because escape speed is greater than the speed of light? Simple my dear Watson, the influence of gravity itself IS superluminal (according to some)

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: Jonse sez: For those who haven't seen it: The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research [as published in Physics Letters A 250:1-11 (1998)] http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp hint: this is not a pdf file but

Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf

2008-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:gravity = pdf Jonse sez: For those who haven't seen it: The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research [as published