Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Updated Ragone Plot

2013-05-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 20 May 2013 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >Updated Ragone Plot --- for the March test > >Power density = (4.4 ± 0.4) · 10^5 [W/kg] (34) >Energy density = (5.1 ± 0.5) · 10^7 [Wh/kg] (35) > >http://lenr.qumbu.com/ragone_lawrenceliv_ecat_130520.png >

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 20 May 2013 20:30:59 -0700 (PDT): Hi, :) >> From: mix...@bigpond.com >> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:11:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot >> >> In reply to Alan Fletcher

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Actually, that consider the device's weight. So, as Rossi claims 1 gram. It should push at 1000x or 3 orders of magnitude beyond those ~25x I posted in the last comment. It should be to the left and about the same height as uranium. 2013/5/21 Daniel Rocha > Allan's comparison that end up in Fo

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Allan's comparison that end up in Forbe's website is not accurate. The energy density is the upper bound for a week of use, not the actual value. It was turned off after the test. The fuel did not run out. If we are to believe Rossi's claims that it last 6 months, the scale should be pushed 25x mor

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > >> > From: mix...@bigpond.com >> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:11:12 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > > From: mix...@bigpond.com > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:11:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot > > > > In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 20 May 2013 1

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: mix...@bigpond.com > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:11:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot > > In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 20 May 2013 13:20:06 > I think the impact of this would be even greater on a linear rather

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 20 May 2013 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >Final Plot -- based on the igure in the paper > >http://lenr.qumbu.com/130520_ragone_01.png I think the impact of this would be even greater on a linear rather than logarithmic plot. :) Regards, Robin van

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Jed, it is often grand & fascinating to read your take on history. We will have to buy many politicians. It is a small price to pay. ***From your characterizations of Rossi, I think perhaps he is not willing to pay this price. He has customers, he will sell to them until it becomes so overwhelmin

RE: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published James Bowery wrote: For the essentially zero risk of putting in escrow one third of the price of a 1MW system -- information worth billions of dollars in futures markets alone at essentially zero cost by taking Rossi up on

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: For the essentially zero risk of putting in escrow one third of the price > of a 1MW system -- information worth billions of dollars in futures markets > alone at essentially zero cost by taking Rossi up on his offer of allowing > your techs full access to run whatever tests t

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "MarkI-ZeroPoint" > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:22:22 PM > Alan, can you also put in a conventional nuclear reactor used for > Electrical power? > Use the nuclear radiation symbol for traditional nuclear power! > That would pretty much be the picture that is worth a thousand words. > -mar

RE: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot Final Plot -- based on the igure in the paper http://lenr.qumbu.com/130520_ragone_01.png

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread James Bowery
Well, give Rossi his due: He did "prematurely" sell the low temperature 1MW system -- scare quotes indicating that it is entirely rational for a customer with serious heat needs to participate in what amounts to conventional technical risk of product introduction. What I find puzzling, however, i

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > > (Gee whiz : the COP came out the way we calculated it!) > > Very impressive location on the chart. But if I may now move the > goalposts: that kind of energy density will never power a warp drive. > QUIET!!! ShutUpShutUpShutUP. If Rossi reads this, he will think: "Yes, th

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
Can you suggest a caption (with the cite of the original in smaller type), eg "Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device containing hydrogen loaded nickel powder", Levi et al. Fig 9 expanded to show the Ragone plot of the eCat test, March 2013. - Original Message --

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's nifty! Thanks. This is Fig. 9 from the paper, expanded to fit their data. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Final Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
Final Plot -- based on the igure in the paper http://lenr.qumbu.com/130520_ragone_01.png

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Eric Walker
On May 20, 2013, at 2:50, Alan Fletcher wrote: > (Gee whiz : the COP came out the way we calculated it!) Very impressive location on the chart. But if I may now move the goalposts: that kind of energy density will never power a warp drive. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published -- Updated Ragone Plot

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
Updated Ragone Plot --- for the March test Power density = (4.4 ± 0.4) · 10^5 [W/kg] (34) Energy density = (5.1 ± 0.5) · 10^7 [Wh/kg] (35) http://lenr.qumbu.com/ragone_lawrenceliv_ecat_130520.png (Note that the axes are reversed from the version used in the paper.) I got it from http://davis

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread ChemE Stewart
Good Stuff. Thanks for your wisdom Peter. On Monday, May 20, 2013, Peter Gluck wrote: > My reaction. joy and realism (I think) to the event of today: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/05/the-professors-have-published-hot-cat.html > > Peter > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http:/

RE: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
I am surprised by the date of publication: Pentecost. Pentecost means the descent of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles. Coincidence? > -Original Message- > From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] > Sent: lundi 20 mai 2013 11:51 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: R

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Alan, what, a bit more exactly want you say about he COP? Thanks Peter On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > I found an svg file with sample Rogone plots ... and superimposed the Dec > test on it > > Equations 34 and 35 > > http://www.well.com/~af/ecat_dec_chart_130520A.

Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat report published

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Fletcher
I found an svg file with sample Rogone plots ... and superimposed the Dec test on it Equations 34 and 35 http://www.well.com/~af/ecat_dec_chart_130520A.png (Gee whiz : the COP came out the way we calculated it!)