Re: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:37 PM 9/24/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > http://www.nanosolar.com/power-plants/large-roofs Beautiful!! Sticking a sail on the roof never appealed to me. So in exchange for some penalty in reduced power, they build you a system that's likely to outlive the gales of November, whether

Re: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: > 2009/9/17 Jed Rothwell : > >> He did not mention any of the problems with photovoltaic devices such as the >> long energy payback time. > > Not any more Jed! It used to be a significant portion of the ~25 > years lifetime, but with new thin-film technologies it's only

Re: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-24 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/17 Jed Rothwell : > He did not mention any of the problems with photovoltaic devices such as the > long energy payback time. Not any more Jed! It used to be a significant portion of the ~25 years lifetime, but with new thin-film technologies it's only months now: http://www.nanosolar.co

RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
As I said, after the NSF/EPRI meeting and perhaps a few others, Lewis should have said something like: "my initial concerns about this work have now been satisfied, and I agree the effect is real." You are supposed to be able to say that with no loss of face. It is pefectly okay to have doubts

***RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-17 Thread Jack O Suileabhain
ention to.-The End-(for the moment)-JO- > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:16:48 -0400 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com > From: jedrothw...@gmail.com > Subject: RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates > > Jack O Suileabhain wrote: > > >Tom Friedman NYTimes: The

RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-17 Thread Jack O Suileabhain
7; And Tom Friedman is so finely tuned-subtle that he could balance a dime on the edge of a very sharp knife. And I say this of Mr. Friedman out of a pure sense of admiration; and maybe just a wee-bit of envy.-JO- > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:16:48 -0400 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vo

RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jack O Suileabhain wrote: Tom Friedman NYTimes: The most telling element in this entire extended discourse, is of course, Tom Friedman's sudden infatuation with this subject. That's wrong. Friedman has been promoting and writing about alternative energy for many years, before it was fashion

RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-16 Thread Jack O Suileabhain
t's always a pleasure to watch someone that is really a master of his trade. His job would be an extremely interesting one, and if I'd been fated with his talent and positioning-opportunities I'd likely be enjoying myself immensely as well; and as he appears to be doing also. B

Re: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-16 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, I could be wrong, but my guess is that Nate Lewis just doesn't have what it takes to admit that he was frustrated and very emotional about the whole damn thing and that he threw the baby out with the bathwater. I approached Nate a few years ago in person but he turned his back on me and

RE: [Vo]:The two irritating Nates

2009-09-16 Thread Jack O Suileabhain
~?Why the 'Nate's' dodge?~ Answer: Find out who pulls the 'Nate's' strings and you'll know who's getting extremely tangible/proactive results with the research. Once again the policy of Red Herring aka disinformation try's to decoy &/or discourage proponents such as yourself either total