Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-08 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: "Quarks do not come "unglued" even at near TeV energies. They are always in at least pairs (mesons) or triads (hadrons)." That was a mental lapse. Hadrons are particles that are made of quarks. The quarks are always in at least pairs (mesons) or triads (baryons)." Hadrons include

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 06:53 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Similarly, the neutron reaction with 12C creates 13C*: n + 12C --> 13C* which then fissions: 13C* --> 3 4He if the 13C* has enough energy. Isn't that 13C* -> 3 4He + n? Yes, that's

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:53 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Similarly, the neutron reaction with 12C creates 13C*: n + 12C --> 13C* which then fissions: 13C* --> 3 4He if the 13C* has enough energy. Isn't that 13C* -> 3 4He + n?

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:> Similarly, the neutron reaction with 12C creates 13C*: > >   n + 12C --> 13C* > > which then fissions: > >   13C* --> 3 4He > > if the 13C* has enough energy. Ah! My mistake was assuming 13C resulted from the decay of 14C but obviously the p

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:32 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, and I wouldn't > consider myself qualified to do them right, at least not the first > time! I *never* get anything right the first time. 8^) Whoa. What about ela

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Maybe someone can explain this comment in the paper: "In the carbon breakup reaction, a metastable 13C shatters into three α particles and the residuals of the reaction can be viewed in the CR-39 detector as a three-prong star where each prong r

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, and I wouldn't consider myself qualified to do them right, at least not the first time! I *never* get anything right the first time. 8^) Whoa. W

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
Maybe someone can explain this comment in the paper: "In the carbon breakup reaction, a metastable 13C shatters into three α particles and the residuals of the reaction can be viewed in the CR-39 detector as a three-prong star where each prong represents each charged particle that occurs in the de

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:41 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:32:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] your underlying assumptions - then one of them could be this. Al- Najjar et al. (1986) reported that the threshold energy of the neutron required to fission

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:32:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] >your underlying assumptions - then one of them could be this. Al-Najjar et >al. (1986) reported that the threshold energy of the neutron required to >fission a carbon atom (three alpha) is 9.6 MeV. The authors apparen

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, and I wouldn't > consider myself qualified to do them right, at least not the first > time! I *never* get anything right the first time. 8^) Whoa. What about elastic collision cross sections

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:40:40 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Robin - I am surprised that you did not mention, as a possibility, some >version of the hydrino - for instance the "deuterino" at very high >redundancy. If in the form of a di-deuterino would have similar properties -

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:16 AM 12/7/2009, Jones Beene wrote: Abd, I do not have the time to devote to this important topic tonight, and will address the points in separate postings later, but first and because ... apparently ... either you do not understand the situation as well as I had imagined earlier, since yo

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:45 AM 12/7/2009, Terry Blanton wrote: They also got triple tracks from 5.5 MeV alphas from Am; but, of course, that is 4 times the mass of the single neutron: http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ The critical triple tracks are those which are generated where the alphas

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com >But what about the geometry of the cones in figure 2 of my reference: >http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ >What else could have that signature inside the polycarbonate? This is a good point. The absence of any track leadin

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I believe that Mr. Heffner has responded on the issue. Please feel free to refer to me as Horace. I'm not an authority, I just have a big mouth and say what I see and think. Ditto! Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, a

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:01:20 -0500: Hi, [snip] >On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> All in all, I am still of the opinion that the triple tracks are not >> indicative of a three-alpha reaction (12C fission), and that alternatives >> should b

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > All in all, I am still of the opinion that the triple tracks are not > indicative of a three-alpha reaction (12C fission), and that alternatives > should be looked at. But what about the geometry of the cones in figure 2 of my reference: htt

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I believe that Mr. Heffner has responded on the issue. However, to underscore part of it: At 10:33 PM 12/6/2009, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- First question: what is the fission cross-section (3 alpha) of 12C for energetic D+T neutrons? Caveat - please do not confuse this with

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > I am interested in only the *triple tracks* for now. They also got triple tracks from 5.5 MeV alphas from Am; but, of course, that is 4 times the mass of the single neutron: ... not to mention, the alpha is a charged particle. What would be the

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > I am interested in only the *triple tracks* for now. They also got triple tracks from 5.5 MeV alphas from Am; but, of course, that is 4 times the mass of the single neutron: http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ Terry

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:16:04 -0800: Hi, [snip] >First - let's begin with any fast neutron > ~7 MeV, as the author's mention >this value range several times. What other source for these than D+T fusion >do you imagine there to be in this situation? Please list the r

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
Abd, I do not have the time to devote to this important topic tonight, and will address the points in separate postings later, but first and because ... apparently ... either you do not understand the situation as well as I had imagined earlier, since you are wavering on many issues now - or else

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:46 PM 12/6/2009, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > I think you need to read the SPAWAR articles. SPAWAR detected triple tracks deep the CR-39. They show the photos. Yes, my original post cited both the article and the image of triple tracks- which I am

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > triple tracks are strong evidence of energetic neutrons, that's why the Triple Track paper had such an impact. And you are certain it is seen by skeptics as positive impact? Let me ask you a couple of questions Abd, since you are writing wit

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:05 PM 12/6/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Jones, Our conversation is becoming garbled. I'll summarize. I wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SPAWAR proposed the triple tracks were from the three alpha producing reaction: n + C12 + (9 MeV minimum

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:00 PM 12/6/2009, Jones Beene wrote: The 3 alpha reaction 12C(n,n')3alpha is well known. I don't know what you are talking about. I am talking about essentially a zero cross-section of this reaction for thermal neutrons. Duh! This is why graphite is used as a moderator in fission reactor

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > I think you need to read the SPAWAR articles. SPAWAR detected triple tracks deep the CR-39. They show the photos. Yes, my original post cited both the article and the image of triple tracks- which I am merely hypothesizing comes from something

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/12/5 Jones Beene : >> So, who had the foresight to envision the cross-connection? > > Well that remark was not phrased very well, I agree - but if you google > [Julian Schwinger LENR] this will be the first hit: > > www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/SchwingerJcoldfusiona.pdf Well, Feynman would have

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Horace Heffner
Jones, Our conversation is becoming garbled. I'll summarize. I wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SPAWAR proposed the triple tracks were from the three alpha producing reaction: n + C12 + (9 MeV minimum kinetic energy for subsequent triple tra

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner >> If you are implying they are quarks, then no. Quarks do not come > "unglued" even at near TeV energies... > Sure - but according to the very same authority, What authority? Let's see ... How about the mainstream of physics for starters ? > d

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-05 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 5, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner If you are implying they are quarks, then no. Quarks do not come "unglued" even at near TeV energies... Sure - but according to the very same authority, What authority? deuterium does not fu

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-05 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > If you are implying they are quarks, then no. Quarks do not come "unglued" even at near TeV energies... Sure - but according to the very same authority, deuterium does not fuse at ambient temperatures ... and never, never, never does 12C fis

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-05 Thread Horace Heffner
From the SPAWAR article at: http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ "The presence of three alpha-particle tracks outgoing from a single point is diagnostic of the 12C(n,n′)3alpha carbon breakup reaction and suggests that DT reactions that produce ≥9.6 MeV neutrons are occurri

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-05 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Jones Beene wrote: The interesting thing here to ponder is based on the image seen in the article and the implication from it: are the "triple tracks" related to quarks? If you are implying they are quarks, then no. Quarks do not come "unglued" even at near T

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-05 Thread Jones Beene
Michel writes: > QCD comes into play once the reacting nuclear particles are within femtometers of each other. But first, it must be explained how they get that close with sufficient probability, and this is purely a QED problem if I am not mistaken. Yes, but the precise details - the dynamics o

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-05 Thread Michel Jullian
Jones, QCD comes into play once the reacting nuclear particles are within femtometers of each other. But first, it must be explained how they get that close with sufficient probability, and this is purely a QED problem if I am not mistaken. So, who had the foresight to envision the cross-connecti