Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
It may have been that LENR is too complex for biology to have taken advantage of it. Also it may have caused DNA damage too difficult to overcome for biological systems. Either way, the fact that it is not widespread is accepted, but arguing from that fact that biological systems should be one wa

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Edmund Storms
I'm saying that the process of energy release requires many quanta, each with a small energy, to be released during the fusion process. These photons have too little energy for many to leave the apparatus. Heat is generated as they are absorbed by the material. This condition is basic to t

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:04:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] >A better reference: > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906144558.htm This appears to refer to bacteria chemically processing the waste, not actual remediation of the radioactive content. Regards, Robi

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread James Bowery
So if I understand your argument correctly, even though the detected energy flux of high energy photons/particles has been minuscule compared to the total energy measured from LENR experiments, it is still enough to account for substantial biological disruption at the scales of metabolic energy nec

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:27 PM, James Bowery wrote: The idea that emitted radiation from LENR is harmful to organisms runs counter to most thought about LENR energy release. I'm not saying most thought about LENR energy is right, you understand -- I'm just saying that if we explain away this

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Roger Bird
We don't even know if the biological transmutation of elements has a COP > 1. We aren't even positive if the biological transmutation of elements is even real, but I believe that it is. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:21 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Material strengths are measured in units of the physic

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread James Bowery
The idea that emitted radiation from LENR is harmful to organisms runs counter to most thought about LENR energy release. I'm not saying most thought about LENR energy is right, you understand -- I'm just saying that if we explain away this "miracle" by that means, we should certainly question suc

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread James Bowery
Material strengths are measured in units of the physical dimension pressure. All evolution would have to do is concentrate nano-scale materials of the right strength and composition. That seems plausible as, for example, magnetite crystals have been found widely in organisms

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
A better reference: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906144558.htm On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > How bacteria stabilize nuclear waste: > > > http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/how-bacteria-clean-up-nuclear-waste-110909.htm > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
How bacteria stabilize nuclear waste: http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/how-bacteria-clean-up-nuclear-waste-110909.htm On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > The LENR energy source has a down side. It is not a source of free energy > to a biological system. The emitt

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Edmund Storms
The LENR energy source has a down side. It is not a source of free energy to a biological system. The emitted radiation would be obviously harmful. Consequently, the source would be only employed when this is the only way to avoid death. Fortunately, evolution has found better ways to get e

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

2013-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
It may be a matter of pressure. I would look at the bugs near thermal heat vents at the bottom of the ocean or deep underground when the temperature exceeds boiling for adaptation to LENR. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM, James Bowery wrote: > The subject say it all, really: 'Yet Another LENR "