Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen, 7Li= 7.0160 amu 4He= 4.0026 amu + 3H= 3.0160 amu 4He + 3H = 7.0186 amu Net energy gain = -0.0026 amu = -2.43 MeV Well - yes - and that pretty much explains why - as others have noticed - that the OU energy and tritium (at the same time) are s

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Interesting. I had some questions about some details, though. Jones Beene wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence writes, Second, it took a while for it to sink in, but they kept talking about "anomalously low neutron counts" -- tritium was found, with just one neutron being emitted per ~ 10^7 tritium at

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: Dear Stephen, It is my belief, based on an extensive examination of the literature, that the few neutrons emitted from cold fusion experiments are not the result of a "cold fusion" process, but result from a process stimulated by relatively high energy. People have sug

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [ ... ] Second, it took a while for it to sink in, but they kept talking about "anomalously low neutron counts" -- tritium was found, with just one neutron being emitted per ~ 10^7 tritium atoms produced. I don't understand this. They were using pure D20, so H+D-

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: The tritium also seems to be a secondary byproduct. Takahashi and others feel that it is inversely proportional to the heat . . . This conclusion is based on theory, not on observation. Sorry, I meant neutrons. Takahashi measured neutrons during an experiment that produ

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: It is my belief, based on an extensive examination of the literature, that the few neutrons emitted from cold fusion experiments are not the result of a "cold fusion" process, but result from a process stimulated by relatively high energy. People h

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen A. Lawrence writes, Second, it took a while for it to sink in, but they kept talking about "anomalously low neutron counts" -- tritium was found, with just one neutron being emitted per ~ 10^7 tritium atoms produced. I don't understand this. They were using pure D20, so H+D->T is no

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: It is my belief, based on an extensive examination of the literature, that the few neutrons emitted from cold fusion experiments are not the result of a "cold fusion" process, but result from a process stimulated by relatively high energy. People have suggested that such

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Dear Stephen, It is my belief, based on an extensive examination of the literature, that the few neutrons emitted from cold fusion experiments are not the result of a "cold fusion" process, but result from a process stimulated by relatively high energy. People have suggested that such high en

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-12-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: See: Iyengar, P.K. and M. Srinivasan. /Overview of BARC Studies in Cold Fusion/. in /The First Annual Conference on Cold Fusion/. 1990. University of Utah Research Park, Salt Lake City, Utah: National Cold Fusion Institute. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IyengarPKovervie

Re: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-11-21 Thread Steven Krivit
This is important because it shows how much dynamic, promising research was going on in India from 1989 to the mid-90s. Unfortunately, nothing is happening there now, as far as I know. I have heard that after Iyengar and the others retired, the enemies of cold fusion moved in and took steps to

Re: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-11-21 Thread Steven Krivit
I did a lot of work to prepare this paper, so you folks better read it! Jed, Good work. I consider this paper very clear and worthy of recognition. I am not aware of any other such paper that is so illustrative of the BARC work, are you? I'm curious how this paper has surfaced now, 15 ye

Re: large,old paper by..

2005-11-16 Thread RC Macaulay
and deeper jagged in appearance. Richard - Original Message - From: "Robin van Spaandonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: Re: large,old paper by.. In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:48:58 -0600:

Re: large,old paper by..

2005-11-16 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:48:58 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Since that experience, we often have a gas inductor pump returned for service >that shows severe erosion on the cavities directly across from the exit ports >feeding chlorine gas or hypo liquid. [snip] Cl ions for

Re: large,old paper by..

2005-11-16 Thread Grimer
At 11:48 am 16/11/2005 -0600, Richard wrote: >I recall my first experience with cold fusion back in the 1960's. We had >started up the systems a few days before in a high rise condo. The next week >we were faced with a disintegrated 4 inch copper pipe that was located on the >discharge of a pr

Re: large,old paper by..

2005-11-16 Thread RC Macaulay
Jed wrote.. The only people with a vested interest in opposing cold fusion that I know of are the plasma fusion researchers at MIT. They are afraid that some of their research money will be diverted to cold fusion. They were livid with anger in March 1989. They planted stories in the newspape

Re: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
RC Macaulay wrote: Jed , I sent a link to our high speed unit at the shop. A PFD file of 2.74 mb is a little high for the boonies. Oops. I did not notice it came out so big. I will try to slim it down. In a few words would you give us your thoughts on WHY?? the enemies of CF are such. What

Re: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-11-15 Thread RC Macaulay
account for their energy and dedication . You have studied this question at length and may have the best insight. Richard - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: New: large, old paper by Iyengar et

New: large, old paper by Iyengar et al.

2005-11-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: Iyengar, P.K. and M. Srinivasan. Overview of BARC Studies in Cold Fusion. in The First Annual Conference on Cold Fusion. 1990. University of Utah Research Park, Salt Lake City, Utah: National Cold Fusion Institute. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IyengarPKoverviewof.pdf This is important beca