Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

On 8-Aug-06, at 11:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems ok to me, but I've got a 2 Ghz Core Duo and 1 GB of RAM. *gloat* I saw a massive speed improvement when I went from the PowerBook to the MacBook (I think the JVM was responsible for most of that). Though I always found the PB us

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems ok to me, but I've got a 2 Ghz Core Duo and 1 GB of RAM. *gloat* Sweet! PS I haven't done anything but install it so far - it could still turn into a dog for all I know. Try it on a 1 GHz PowerBook G4 with 512MB RAM! OK,

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

It seems ok to me, but I've got a 2 Ghz Core Duo and 1 GB of RAM. *gloat* :) janine PS I haven't done anything but install it so far - it could still turn into a dog for all I know. On Aug 8, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Joe Little wrote: well, I've been trying to get eclipse/wolips/etc installed

Re: Re: Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

s/set upper link/set upper limit/. yes, I've been making wholesale changes in a WO project tonight, can't you tell? On 8/8/06, Joe Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For all of 2 minutes. I think the proper approach to this is someplace w/o a drink minimum, and some organization(s) pre-pays the a

Re: Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

For all of 2 minutes. I think the proper approach to this is someplace w/o a drink minimum, and some organization(s) pre-pays the appetizers with an initial amount and a set upper link. Again, UberMind had this in mind for the evening, but it was a little late at that time to change arrangements,

Re: XCode 2.4: EOModeler & EOModeler Plugin deprecated?

Aww...come on! Everyone needs to use something awful...better PHP than .NET/ASP/*!* At least you go back to WO and just blush at its relative elegance. Each to their own poison I guess. Karl On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: Well said! Including RoR pre-installed is just goo

XCode 3 WO version?

Hi, can anyone comment if the WO in XCode 3 is the same as for 2.4? If it is, are there release notes? I'd hate to start decompiling and diffing everything just to make up for missing release notes. The WO bundle says: CFBundleShortVersionString 5.3.2 While the apps say:

Re: XCode 2.3 --> XCode 2.4

> The last Xcode release did not increment the WO numbers though there > were some bug fixes. This may just be a remedial adjusting of the > numbers. No, it's not remedial, Xcode 2.4 includes WebObjects 5.3.2. I'm not sure where the Release Notes are hiding... things are a little crazy this week

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

It is probably hard to justify getting paid for writing such a paltry amount of code. On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Karl wrote: Oh I pity the poor Cocoa developers. All that dead code that they now have to throw away. :-) On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Aug 8, 2006,

Re: XCode 2.4: EOModeler & EOModeler Plugin deprecated?

Well said! Including RoR pre-installed is just good business sense for Apple, not The End of WO. Apple wants to sell machines. Lots of people want RoR. Hence, make a better platform for their customers by pre- installing it. I am happy to see them pre-installing more of these sorts of

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Oh I pity the poor Cocoa developers. All that dead code that they now have to throw away. :-) On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Please everyone - half the problem is everyone asking if it's dead - it's almost worse. Here's t

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

The bridge is still there. And it looks like being there for a while. Deprecated...not dead. Karl On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: That all depends on whether the bridge is still installed or not. Panic may be an appropriate reaction. Chuck On Aug 8, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Ri

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Please everyone - half the problem is everyone asking if it's dead - it's almost worse. Here's the deal from my humble perspective: 1) Apple made a long term commitment to WebObjects when they made it part of the toolset last year. 2) App

Re: XCode 2.4: EOModeler & EOModeler Plugin deprecated?

I think that we will have to wait until Thursday and Friday's WO sessions to be certain - and then not be able to talk about it due to the WWDC NDA.However, the message is clear:  Apple has desktop (Carbon/Cocoa) and non-desktop (choose your poison .. WO RoR .. PHP ..).  WO is clearly non-desktop

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

That all depends on whether the bridge is still installed or not. Panic may be an appropriate reaction. Chuck On Aug 8, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Ricardo Strausz wrote: Hola! Does this means no more Cocoa EOF Applications? Please, I would appreciate some words like "it is not dead... do not panic

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Maybe I can get Global Village Consulting to sponsor next time so that we don't have to collect. That seemed to be a bit annoying, but you did get to meet everyone! Chuck On Aug 8, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Joe Little wrote: May I suggest someone else be the bill collector next time. On 8/8/0

Re: XCode 2.4: EOModeler & EOModeler Plugin deprecated?

Hi Anjo,Yes I did; but EntityModeler appears to be part of WOLips - a 3rd party tool. But I was wondering what Apple provides as a valid replacement. Or does Apple include WOLips now? Thanks, Dennis. With Kind Regards,Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca]Chief Technology Officer,On 8-Aug-06

Re: XCode 2.4: EOModeler & EOModeler Plugin deprecated?

Didn't you see my previous mail? Cheers, Anjo Am 09.08.2006 um 07:07 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: So how will you be able to edit your EOModels in the future? Will there be a replacement? With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca] Chief Technology Officer, WEBA

XCode 2.4: EOModeler & EOModeler Plugin deprecated?

So how will you be able to edit your EOModels in the future? Will there be a replacement? With Kind Regards,Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca]Chief Technology Officer,WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc.HQ:  (+1) 604.921.1333Fax:  (+1) 604.921.4313Cell:  (+1) 604.787.2532 __

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

On Aug 8, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Timmy wrote: Folks at WWDC inquiring about Eclipse doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about Apple's tools for WO development. nor does using them. :-P A bit ironic considering the first line in you sig Chuck ;-

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Not to mention Ulrich Köster, Harald Niesche and others (sorry guys, no time for checking the commit logs) for his work on WOLips, which made all of this possible and Andrus Adamchik for starting woproject in the first place. I was just referring to the tools. Cheers, Anjo Am 09.08.2006 um

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Big deal. - EntityModeler, a good, full featured replacement for EOModeler, is part of WOLips. A lot of new stuff in there, too. - WOComponent Editor, a good replacement for WOBuilder, is part of WOLips. Its not graphical, but has validation that actually makes sense. - RuleModeler, a much en

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

Wow, is it the 30s again? The street of San Francisco are lined with developers carrying signs "Will work for food"? Glad I don't have to see that. BTW: a halfway decent intro to Eclipse/WOLips, covering installation, updating, editing+debugging tips, project conversion, pitfalls, exercis

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On 09/08/2006, at 5:40 AM, Mike Nowak wrote: I did notice this in the publicly release Xcode 2.4 release: NOTE: As of the release of Xcode 2.4, the Cocoa Java bridge has been deprecated. This means that, while still supported with Xcode 2.4, future releases of Xcode may not support the bri

Re: XCode 2.3 --> XCode 2.4

The last Xcode release did not increment the WO numbers though there were some bug fixes. This may just be a remedial adjusting of the numbers. On Aug 8, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Gavin Eadie wrote: There have been version number changes in the WO frameworks from XCode 2.3 to XCode 2.4, as repre

XCode 2.3 --> XCode 2.4

There have been version number changes in the WO frameworks from XCode 2.3 to XCode 2.4, as represented below (I have a little WO App which prettyprints info.plist info from any framework in the classpath). I've not seen any delta documents yet ... Gavin XCode 2.3 Bundle Name :

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:54 PM, John Larson wrote: I don't think that until the Script Wars get fought out I feel a great disturbance in the parse... sacha -- Sacha Michel Mallais Senior Developer / President Global Village Consulting Inc. http://www.global-village.net/ PGP Key I

Re: Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

well, I've been trying to get eclipse/wolips/etc installed today on my laptop to at least prep for tomorrow's session. Can I just say that on a 1.2ghz g4, 1GB ram, it kinda blows? :) Definitely good for selling new mac laptops. At least Eclipse 3.2 is universal.. On 8/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[E

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

Joe, that sounds like a good idea to me. I can't do tomorrow at lunch anyway; I already had a lunch session I was going to and now that Pixar thing is calling my name as well. janine On Aug 8, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Joe Little wrote: On 8/8/06, Chuck Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 8

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

DOH!On Aug 8, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:nor does using them.  :-P ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: htt

Re: Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On 8/8/06, John Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sorry, Ken. Your rational perspective is no match for the Fear of Ruby. Tto append your comments, Ken, and to further argue my way into a stable state of mind again, this is a technology that has been around since the NeXT days. (this is wh

Re: Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

On 8/8/06, Chuck Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Timmy wrote: > Folks at WWDC inquiring about Eclipse doesn't make me feel warm and > fuzzy about Apple's tools for WO development. nor does using them. :-P There's a hands on session tomorrow at 9am. I suggest pe

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Timmy wrote: Folks at WWDC inquiring about Eclipse doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about Apple's tools for WO development. nor does using them. :-P -- Coming in 2006 - an introduction to web applications using WebObjects and Xcode http://www.global-vi

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

Folks at WWDC inquiring about Eclipse doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about Apple's tools for WO development. Tim On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:41 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I shoudl have thought of that ! I too will offer food :) _

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

I was going to say that they could teach all three of us and have a free meal *and* free beer, but then I remembered that Chuck is here and he claims to drink it by the keg so maybe I'd better not. :) janine On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Danny Wang wrote: I'll second that. Er, third that. Not

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

I'm sorry, Ken. Your rational perspective is no match for the Fear of Ruby. Tto append your comments, Ken, and to further argue my way into a stable state of mind again, this is a technology that has been around since the NeXT days. (this is where I get to "gloat" about going to a colle

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

I shoudl have thought of that ! I too will offer food :) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

I'll second that. Er, third that. Nothing like hands on training. I'll offer up a meal too. =) Play your cards right, you can teach all of us separate and get meals the rest of the conference. On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in this as well! Who w

[Off Topic] Programmer Wanted: Sydney, Australia

Hi all (on behalf of my boss Ari), sorry for the off-topic-cross-list post, but it might be relevant to some developers on this list in Australia looking for work. We at ish are looking for an experienced Java programmer to add to our team. The primary skills required are with any persisten

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

I would be interested in this as well! Who wants a free meal? :) janine On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Was wondering if anyone at WWDC has the time to walk me through WO and Eclipse ? Contact me off list you have a spare lunch time to help me get started. I

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Please everyone - half the problem is everyone asking if it's dead - it's almost worse. Here's the deal from my humble perspective: 1) Apple made a long term commitment to WebObjects when they made it part of the toolset last year. 2) Apple uses WebObjects significantly themselves Sure,

[Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ?

Hi All, Was wondering if anyone at WWDC has the time to walk me through WO and Eclipse ? Contact me off list you have a spare lunch time to help me get started. I figure Im here to learn so I may as well ask :) Owen McKerrow WebMaster, emlab Ph : +61 02 4221 5517 http://emlab.uow.edu.au - - -

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Hi All, Was wondering if anyone at WWDC has the time to walk me through WO and Eclipse ? Contact me off list you have a spare lunch time and would like to help me get started. I figure Im here to learn, so I may as well ask. Owen McKerrow WebMaster, emlab Ph : +61 02 4221 5517 http://emlab.uo

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Hola!Does this means no more Cocoa EOF Applications?Please, I would appreciate some words like "it is not dead... do not panic!"[system panic:Dino];On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:40:33 -0400 From: Mike Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: A cha

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On 8 Aug 2006, at 15:03, Joe Little wrote: On 8/8/06, Robert Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's an idea. Start off every WWDC Keynote with broadcast public statement: WebObjects is NOT DEAD! Don't panic. or WebObjects is now OFFICIALLY DEAD! ... Ok, you can panic now...

Re: Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On 8/8/06, Robert Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's an idea. Start off every WWDC Keynote with broadcast public statement: WebObjects is NOT DEAD! Don't panic. or WebObjects is now OFFICIALLY DEAD! ... Ok, you can panic now... Cue Michael Palin and John Cleese.. Parot and

Re: Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

May I suggest someone else be the bill collector next time. On 8/8/06, Chuck Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, a huge Thanks! to UberMind so that Joe and I did not get stick with the bill. The rest of the thanks go to Joe, I did hardly anything. Joe did all the organizing to make this happ

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Here's an idea.  Start off every WWDC Keynote with broadcast public statement:WebObjects is NOT DEAD!  Don't panic.orWebObjects is now OFFICIALLY DEAD! ... Ok, you can panic now...On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:42 PM, David LeBer wrote:Given the NDA and all that, I think it is safe to say:It's not de

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

On 8-Aug-06, at 2:38 PM, James Cicenia wrote: Can anybody give us at least a thumbs up, down or sideways with regards to our beloved WebObjects? Someone has to know! - James Cicenia Given the NDA and all that, I think it is safe to say: It's not dead. (aka: Don't Panic!) Little else is

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Can anybody give us at least a thumbs up, down or sideways with regards to our beloved WebObjects? Someone has to know! - James Cicenia On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mike Nowak wrote: I did notice this in the publicly release Xcode 2.4 release: NOTE: As of the release of Xcode 2.4, the Coco

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

plists ... On 08.08.2006, at 14:10 Uhr, Chuck Hill wrote: Eclipse. Just like a real developer. :-) On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: How would one be able to edit their EOModels, if EOModeller is gone and the plugin in Xcode is gone? With Kind Regards, Denni

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

Eclipse. Just like a real developer. :-) On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: How would one be able to edit their EOModels, if EOModeller is gone and the plugin in Xcode is gone? With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca] Chief Technology Off

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Yes, a huge Thanks! to UberMind so that Joe and I did not get stick with the bill. The rest of the thanks go to Joe, I did hardly anything. Joe did all the organizing to make this happen. That sure was fun! We will have to do it again next year. Chuck On Aug 8, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Joe Li

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

How would one be able to edit their EOModels, if EOModeller is gone and the plugin in Xcode is gone?With Kind Regards,Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca]Chief Technology Officer,WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc.HQ:  (+1) 604.921.1333Fax:  (+1) 604.921.4313Cell:  (+1) 604.787.2532

Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

There are other more pessimistic inferences possible :-) 1) Apple is planning to get rid of WO and put their weight behind Ruby on Rails!! There was a brief mention of Ruby during the keynote I think. I hope not because I just spent a whole lot of time learning WO! :-). 2) They are switch

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

I'm pretty sure I exceeded my quota for life, but I had a great time. Hopefully I wasn't too annoying :-) -Ryan On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Alan Ward wrote: I don't know about the rest of you... but I'm pretty sure I exceeded my quota :-) How short were we? Alan On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:1

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

I don't know about the rest of you... but I'm pretty sure I exceeded my quota :-) How short were we? Alan On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Joe Little wrote: Glad to help out, but the thanks should go to UberMind who happened to sponsor our drinking short fall :) On 8/8/06, Cliff Tuel <[EMAIL

A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4

I did notice this in the publicly release Xcode 2.4 release: NOTE: As of the release of Xcode 2.4, the Cocoa Java bridge has been deprecated. This means that, while still supported with Xcode 2.4, future releases of Xcode may not support the bridge or other dependent features. Due to this,

Re: Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Glad to help out, but the thanks should go to UberMind who happened to sponsor our drinking short fall :) On 8/8/06, Cliff Tuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some weeks back someone posted to this list (I think) that it's > better to go down to Cupertino and shop at the Employee Store on

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

The hours are 10am - 5:30pm M-F and is open to the public. The lines will be VERY long Thursday night. Make sure you get on an early bus. On Aug 8, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Janine, I'm sitting a couple of people away from you in the Java Overview, but I have to leave befor

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

> Some weeks back someone posted to this list (I think) that it's > better to go down to Cupertino and shop at the Employee Store on > PS Had a great time at the meetup - it was great to talk to > everyone! Joe, you did a great job of organizing; thank you fo

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Absolutely true. Although, last year there wasn't any discount on apparel, things can always change! On Aug 8, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Joe Little wrote: Be aware that the WWDC discount may only apply during the campus bash. Not sure if there is a discount this year, or if they honor WWDC other da

Re: Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Be aware that the WWDC discount may only apply during the campus bash. Not sure if there is a discount this year, or if they honor WWDC other days of the week, but something to check into before you go. On 8/8/06, Ken Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Janine, I'm sitting a couple of people a

Re: Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Janine, I'm sitting a couple of people away from you in the Java Overview, but I have to leave before the end of the session. The Company Store is right on Infinite Loop on the main Apple campus. I'm pretty sure the hours are 9 AM to 5 PM, but it might not open until 10 AM. Anyone can g

Purchasing Apple logo merchandise

Some weeks back someone posted to this list (I think) that it's better to go down to Cupertino and shop at the Employee Store on some day other than the one of the Campus Bash, to avoid the long lines. Tonight I tried to find out some info about this store, like it's location and hours and

Re: WO Tools for Consuming WebServices

Title: Re: WO Tools for Consuming WebServices If you generate the client stubs for the WSDL using the Apache Axis tools (you can do that in an ANT script) it is very easy to consume webservices. For example – to use a web service that provides an authenticate method in the WSDL do the following

WO Tools for Consuming WebServices

All,   WO has tools for creating web service applications and direct to web service applications, but are there any WO tools (outside of the Java community tools like JAX-WS)  for consuming a web service? Thanks.   Jason ___ Do not post admin requests to

Re: WWDC & XCode 3

On 8 Aug 2006, at 06:28, Wolfram Stebel wrote: Am 08.08.2006 0:57 Uhr schrieb "Randy Wigginton" unter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Not being at WWDC, I'm curious as to whether XCode 3 will support WebObjects? Has anything at all been announced at WWDC, or are they maintaining the grand tradition of

Re: WWDC & XCode 3

Am 08.08.2006 0:57 Uhr schrieb "Randy Wigginton" unter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Not being at WWDC, I'm curious as to whether XCode 3 will support > WebObjects? > > Has anything at all been announced at WWDC, or are they maintaining > the grand tradition of ignoring WO? (Thinking of getting a WO AI

Re: WWDC & XCode 3

Hello, Not being at WWDC, I'm curious as to whether XCode 3 will support WebObjects? Found this on the Xcode mailing list. I think some news sites made it sound as if Xcode 3.0 was released today, but that is only coming for Leopard... __ [Chris Espinosa]: Xcode 2.4, an update to the Xcode

Re: Event update ; notice

Great event !! http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594228879680/ Please feel free to make comments and identify who is who. Apologies for the occasional red-eye and badly corrected exposure ... Gavin ___ Do not post

Re: Working WebObjects plateforms

WebObjects can be deployed on anything for free. If you have a problem on your Linux,etc deployment, try it on OS X, and if it fails - you can still get support. On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:47 AM, Ray Ackland wrote: Jean, I suspect the mentality is that you can still use WO on any of the norma