So we'll just toss (I almost said 'chuck') out all our hardware
because the Web now runs magically on the ether. I get uneasy when
people use the word 'legacy' because it has become a coded word for
replacing tried-and-true technology that has become reliable over a
long period of time with
Me too :-)
Uli
Am 14.08.2006 um 18:54 schrieb Alan Ward:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
P.S. One final thought. Given that Apple is deprecating the
tools, anyone want to guess how many WO developers at Apple use
Xcode for WebObjects? ;-)
I do ;-)
Alan
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Thanks Chuck!
And yes I am a bit of hack... I have been holding off buying any books, due
to the feeling that alot of the Apple documentation is confusing and hard to
follow due to the changes between 5.2 to 5.3 and the integration into
xCode, and I kind of get the feeling that older
Sounds great, count me in.
On Aug 14, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Ok, let's start talking about a WebObjects Foundation (or Alliance,
or whatever).
Why do we need such a thing ?
The Foundation will be responsible to market WO, collecting money
to help speed up the developme
Ok, let's start talking about a WebObjects Foundation (or Alliance,
or whatever).
Why do we need such a thing ?
The Foundation will be responsible to market WO, collecting money to
help speed up the development of open source tools (Entity Modeler,
etc.) and to have an unified voice to
Hi Marcos,
I am still trying to recover from the flood of messages while I was
at WWDC...
On Aug 10, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Trejo Munguia wrote:
Hello Chuck,
I was finally able to print the contents of ec.insertedObjects(),
and here is what I've found:
Complete Transaction
Item: {v
Um, yes. But what does it mean to "modify" a resource?
Isn't this basically a huge oversimplification of reality?
It's basically saying all "resources" can be created
foo = new WOComponent();
delivered
foo.appendToResponse();
modified...
that's where I'm stru
Kind of an interesting article from a friend of mine. I have not
read all of it or thought about it too deeply, but I thought it may
interest others so I am passing it on. Alex is, FWIW, a RoR
fanatic. :-P
Chuck
Begin forwarded message:
From: Alex Bunardzic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Reading up on this a bit more, I note that generics are implemented,
not by changing the JVM, but by 'type erasure'. The upside of this is
that programs using genericity are able to run on older JVMs and you
still get compiler checks and are able to cast your casts to the wind.
Downside tho
I can verify that ScreenRecord app works fine (under Rosetta) on
intel MacBook Pro OS X 10.4.5-10.4.6. I've used it without
problems.
http://www.miensoftware.com/screenrecord.html
Kieran
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
http://shinywhitebox.com/home/home.html is one th
On Aug 14, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Joe Little wrote:
On 8/14/06, RedBugz Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I believe the Spindle Eclipse plugin for Tapestry allows for these
separated
files. I may be naive, but are there that many technical hurdles
to allowing
in addition or as a replacement
On 8/14/06, RedBugz Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/14/06, Chuck Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Aug 14, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
>
> >
> > Mixing wod definitions in with html is simply rude :-) It makes
> > refactoring even more of a pain than it already
> > is (with
Yeah that's the one ...
ms
On Aug 14, 2006, at 6:09 PM, RedBugz Software wrote:
On 8/14/06, Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not simplistic thinking at all, however, where things break down
is that it's perfectly valid WO to put a tag INSIDE another html
tag (it looks kind of funk
On 8/14/06, Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not simplistic thinking at all, however, where things break down is that it's
perfectly valid WO to put a tag INSIDE another html tag (it looks kind of
funky, and i suspect people who use that feel a little dirty inside, but
nevertheless ...
For example:
other content --becomes--
> other
content
<%name="myName"%>other content<%/%> --becomes--> name="myName">other content
On Aug 14, 2006, at 4:04 PM, John Larson wrote:
I guess what I'm proposing is NOT changing the tag, but inserting
the WO component in between the tags.
I guess what I'm proposing is NOT changing the tag, but inserting the
WO component in between the tags. I mentioned the <% %> tags as I
brainstormed about the case when you wouldn't want tags around the
component (i.e. WOConditional). The idiom would become that the
containing component w
Note that WOBuilder (or at least in the past ... haven't tried
recently) complains that the html is invalid if you put a WO tag
inside an html one...
...but not if you don't put speech marks around the 'name'
attribute. :-) I only use this for changing class names on TR's I
swear.
chee
You have some misconception here: the div tag will get *changed* into
the component in question. So if you need a div, your component would
need to contain one otherwise it will be gone.
Which in fact is some serious caution note: CSS styling can handle
span span ol li {
}
If your code woul
I don't really agree with most of the proposed changes (bindings
inline, yeech!), but the ->
or might actually be useful for us. In particular, we
could use the WST because IIRC, the main problem was that they choke
on webobjects tags without some huge patch... so you would morph the
t
If your *really*, *really* needed that *and* minded the switch
workspace times, you might as well start a few instances of
Eclipse... but frankly, I have a hard time believing that you'd ever
need to "switch" on a regular basis. So I'd like to hear more of this
use case to maybe give better
I was just about to sit down and suggest the same thing. :-)As for a validating parser regarding the tag inside a tag problem, I think we'd have to think about what's going on there. I used to do this to get resource urls into tags, then got out of it because I realized what a mess it created. P
To do any level of meaningful refactoring, etc, you would have to
have an AST-style model behind the files anyway, in which case
writing out either format is not that big of a deal. Also, once
there is a proper WO-compatible HTML parser (maybe actually using
WOParser) as part of said tool,
Perhaps we could have it both ways? If we had a tool that converted
between the two-file and one-file forms (possibly using XSLT), you
could at least keep the run-time generation and development-time
editing as separate issues.
After that you could add a second parser so that either form co
Yes... we know !On Aug 14, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Alan Ward wrote:I haven't noticed that recently... Oh wait I haven't used WOBuilder since 2001 ;-)On Aug 14, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Jonny Meijer wrote:Note that WOBuilder (or at least in the past ... haven't tried recently) complains that the html is
I haven't noticed that recently... Oh wait I haven't used WOBuilder since 2001 ;-)On Aug 14, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Jonny Meijer wrote:Note that WOBuilder (or at least in the past ... haven't tried recently) complains that the html is invalid if you put a WO tag inside an html one...JonnyOn Aug 14,
Ah, OK, so I think I misinterpreted Alan's original post to mean that
he HAD to restart to switch branches, when I think he meant it like
what you're saying, where it's just easier to maintain a separate
project/workspace for each branch = effectively a restart (not that
he's doing the equi
Note that WOBuilder (or at least in the past ... haven't tried recently) complains that the html is invalid if you put a WO tag inside an html one...JonnyOn Aug 14, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:Not simplistic thinking at all, however, where things break down is that it's perfectly valid WO t
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Not simplistic thinking at all, however, where things break down is
that it's perfectly valid WO to put a tag INSIDE another html tag
(it looks kind of funky, and i suspect people who use that feel a
little dirty inside, but nevertheless ...
Not simplistic thinking at all, however, where things break down is that it's perfectly valid WO to put a tag INSIDE another html tag (it looks kind of funky, and i suspect people who use that feel a little dirty inside, but nevertheless ...) so i don't /believe/ you could ever make that play nicel
On 8/14/06, Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If it's going to be an Eclipse-based tool, my preferred route wouldbe to propose an addition to the browser API that supports DOMaccess, at which point we can do all kinds of fancy things withoutrequiring our files to be in any particular format.
m
On 8/14/06, Chuck Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Aug 14, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Alan Ward wrote:>> Mixing wod definitions in with html is simply rude :-) It makes> refactoring even more of a pain than it already> is (with KVC) as now you have another set of files in which
> references may be found.I
I use Xcode for WO development and prefer it simply because I also do
Cocoa and other C-based projects so I like to stay in one IDE. Sure,
Xcode doesn't exactly support Java like it does C/Obj-C, but being
able to stay in one consistent environment is valuable to me.
King Chung Huang
On A
On Aug 14, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I only just started using the SVN plugins for Eclipse w/ WOLips, so
i can't speak to them, but at least with the CVS plugins I could
freely change branches on a project without a restart ... Anyone
happen to know if this is true of the SVN pl
When Eclipse released the the 3M2 version for intel Macs the startup
performance improved about 1000%. I'm not sure about anyone else I can't
even think original thoughts in the 2-3 seconds launch time difference
between xcode and Eclipse. I wish that were the bottleneck of my day.
Dov Rosenberg
On Aug 14, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Mike Bobkiewicz wrote:
Hi Chuck,
Take a look at Value Type on this page: http://developer.apple.com/
documentation/WebObjects/UsingEOModeler/4WorkingWithAttributes/
chapter_4_section_3.html
You are probably missing
d--java.lang.Double
Though I STRONGLY recommen
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Marc Oesch wrote:
PPS: What happened to the second book in Chuck Hill's signature :-) ?
There is probably a rather limited market for a book on deprecated
tools. :-) Need to have a heart to heart with our publisher.
Chuck
--
Practical WebObjects - for
I only just started using the SVN plugins for Eclipse w/ WOLips, so i
can't speak to them, but at least with the CVS plugins I could freely
change branches on a project without a restart ... Anyone happen to
know if this is true of the SVN plugins in Eclipse as well? That
would be a bit of
Hah... I'm even less likely to use Windows than I am to fire up
WOBuilder. Take your tongue out of your cheek Chuck!
:-)
Alan
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simp
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simply
won't switch to any java IDE that
makes me wait 3 minutes at startup before letting me do what I
started it to do :-)
That is true. If you are on Windows like Alan is and ha
Hi Alan,
Do many (most or least even?) of the WO engineers at Apple use
Eclipse/WOLips?
Regards, Kieran
On Aug 14, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simply
won't switch to any java IDE that
makes me wait 3 minutes at startup be
Yeah yeah... but I need a *lot* of projects open when I work and I
often have to switch svn branches (which
can only really be reliably achieved with a restart of the IDE).
Alan
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Am 14.08.2006 um 20:11 schrieb Alan Ward:
I wouldn't describe
Am 14.08.2006 um 20:11 schrieb Alan Ward:
I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simply
won't switch to any java IDE that
makes me wait 3 minutes at startup before letting me do what I
started it to do :-)
Given that I for my part re-start Eclipse about as often as OSX,
I actually just did this timing comparison at WWDC -- on a MBP, Xcode
takes about 1-2 seconds to open a single project and be up-and-
running and Eclipse takes about 4-5 seconds to be up-and-running with
a SINGLE project in it (these are both "second start" times). The
typical usage of Ecli
I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simply
won't switch to any java IDE that
makes me wait 3 minutes at startup before letting me do what I
started it to do :-)
Alan
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Oh yes. The number of hard core XCode fans will cert
Oh yes. The number of hard core XCode fans will certainly stay the same.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 14.08.2006 um 19:28 schrieb Ken Anderson:
I bet not for long!! :)
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
P.S. One final thought. Given that App
A way simpler solution is to make a page wrapper for all your
components (which you should have anyway to get uniform header and
footers), wrap the component content in a conditional bound to
session.isLoggedIn and put the login form into another conditional
with session.isLoggedIn negated.
> Perhaps some of the Apple WO staff could determine how much of the
> information announced today at WWDC can be shared with the other list
> members?
Someone asked this in the WebObjects Lab today. He was told a public
statement is coming next week or the week after.
Given the number of post
Hi Chuck,
>Take a look at Value Type on this page: http://developer.apple.com/
>documentation/WebObjects/UsingEOModeler/4WorkingWithAttributes/
>chapter_4_section_3.html
>
>You are probably missing
>d--java.lang.Double
>
>Though I STRONGLY recommend
>B--java.math.BigDecimal
>
>Doubles are not ac
i've been stuck on my WO developer island for a while now and would
like to reach out to other developers that might be interested in
contributing and benefiting from the use of some of my WO projects.
in time, i would like to release the code as open source and we can
benefit as consultan
Dunno, I haven't fired up WOBuilder since about 2001 (prefer to edit
html & wod by hand)... so
who knows maybe I'll be the contrarian.
Alan
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
I bet not for long!! :)
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 2
I bet not for long!! :)
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
P.S. One final thought. Given that Apple is deprecating the
tools, anyone want to guess how many WO developers at Apple use
Xcode for WebObjects? ;-)
I do ;-)
Alan
Hi,
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Mac Campbell wrote:
I am new to WebObjects and wanted to ask you all for some help...
there are several threads about login / security but I am not
getting it... please help if you can!
Ok, so from what I have seen, I think the best way to implement and
If it's going to be an Eclipse-based tool, my preferred route would
be to propose an addition to the browser API that supports DOM
access, at which point we can do all kinds of fancy things without
requiring our files to be in any particular format.
ms
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:57 PM, Chuck H
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pierce, I agree with just about everything you (and others) have
said today about the need to build a strong community. And, lest
anyone forget, I did start this thread by asking what you all would
want to see Apple doing and then poin
Hello,
If you can live with Windows for once [sorry :)]
This one is really good, especially the export capabilities for
tutorials including Flash:
http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp
http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia/publish.asp
Marc
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On Aug 14, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
Mixing wod definitions in with html is simply rude :-) It makes
refactoring even more of a pain than it already
is (with KVC) as now you have another set of files in which
references may be found.
I am not so fond of it myself. I have a numb
At 4:47 PM +0200 8/14/06, Anjo Krank wrote:
IIRC, he's given me the ok to put it in Wonder a lng time ago.
Never got around to do it, though.
... OK, Anjo. I'll send you the latest version which completes the
("make a framework of this" exercise left to the reader), and fixes a
few bugs
On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
P.S. One final thought. Given that Apple is deprecating the tools,
anyone want to guess how many WO developers at Apple use Xcode for
WebObjects? ;-)
I do ;-)
Alan
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Take a look at Value Type on this page: http://developer.apple.com/
documentation/WebObjects/UsingEOModeler/4WorkingWithAttributes/
chapter_4_section_3.html
You are probably missing
d—java.lang.Double
Though I STRONGLY recommend
B—java.math.BigDecimal
Doubles are not accurate enough and prone
Mixing wod definitions in with html is simply rude :-) It makes refactoring even more of a pain than it alreadyis (with KVC) as now you have another set of files in which references may be found.AlanOn Aug 12, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:Am 12.08.2006 um 23:03 schrieb Chuck Hill: An import p
http://shinywhitebox.com/home/home.html is one that works on Intel.
It's not quite as nice as Snapz but if you need Intel support,
there's not a lot of choice.
ms
On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:13 PM, David Holt wrote:
Hi Janine,
Snapz pro w/ movies is excellent for PowerPC mac. It is not
comp
Hi Janine,
Snapz pro w/ movies is excellent for PowerPC mac. It is not
compatible with IntelMac yet.
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
$69 with movies. For an example of what can be done using Snapz take
a look at:
http://rentzsch.com/webobjects/wo5in15
http://rentzsch.com/li
Hi,
after some years away from WO development a project brings me back to
it. I´m working on a OS X Tiger, XCode 2.4 and MySQL 5 environment.
Mastering the first normal problems I´m now at a point of no go: I´ve
some fields in my database of type double. After setting the typ for
both internal and
Am 14.08.2006 um 15:10 schrieb Gavin Eadie:
I wonder if anyone on this list knows how to get in contact with PA
(last seen on the Java list in June at [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
I have cleaned up his file system EO adapter and before re-
releasing it, I wanted to be sure that was OK with the orig
I wonder if anyone on this list knows how to get in contact with PA
Did you have other e-mail addresses to reach him ? I tried contacting
him with a link to your post.
Petite Abeille also might be interested in *heated* discussions on WO
and toolset future given the news from last week. I just
I wonder if anyone on this list knows how to get in contact with PA
(last seen on the Java list in June at [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I
have cleaned up his file system EO adapter and before re-releasing
it, I wanted to be sure that was OK with the original author ... Gavin
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Brett,
If the model is in a framework, it should not exist at all in
the .woa directory. I suggest removing it from the project
completely and rebuilding everything before proceeding.
Ken
On Aug 14, 2006, at 3:07 AM, Fleetwood, Brett (DCS) wrote:
Sorry Jake, I hadn't finished before it
On 13.08.2006, at 02:40, Thomas wrote:There has been so much bashing of WOBuilder and XCode lately, and so little discussion of PROJECT productivity (as opposed to Java productivity) that I feel the need to add my own opinion in support of Andrew.[...snip...]The point I am trying to make is that WO
Sorry Jake, I hadn't finished before it got sent off.
...as I was saying the IDcards application imports the
IntranetFramework.jar which holds the visitor, employee, person and item
classes.
I put a new field on the form in IDCards (which originally didn't
compile when I had the old version of In
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