Re: Public "Thank you" to Apple and Mr. Pierre Frisch

2007-06-14 Thread Thierry Kramis
I hope a public statement follows shortly?! Am 15.06.2007 um 03:23 schrieb Miguel Arroz: Hi! That's why I hate to thank people... I always forget someone! :P Obviously, THANK YOU to all the presenters, and to the leaders and coders of WOnder, WOLips, and all the open source stuff we use

RE: SSDD w/Eclipse

2007-06-14 Thread Andrew Lindesay
Hello Jeremy; Anyone out there know of instructions to get use WOLips to build SSDD WO projects? I started a wiki page... http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Servlet+Builds ...but then realised I hadn't set this up for some months and have kinda forgotten the exact s

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Cheong Hee (Datasonic)
Indeed, many consultants had the most impacts of the sharp price drop. Imagine, our team was one of the pioneer in this part of the world to start from YellowBox and switch to the first version of WO (year 1997/98, Asia Financial crisis i recalled). The great consultant like Gordon Jones and

Re: Moving to Eclipse...at least trying...

2007-06-14 Thread David LeBer
On 14-Jun-07, at 6:15 PM, WO Dev wrote: Hi Mike, You are right, I had to do that... but I'm going to reformat my post as a question? How to you access a method you have in Application.java (which extends ERXApplication) from another class specially Session.java (which extends ERXSessio

SSDD w/Eclipse

2007-06-14 Thread Jeremy Matthews
Anyone out there know of instructions to get use WOLips to build SSDD WO projects? Thanks, jeremy ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Upda

Re: Public "Thank you" to Apple and Mr. Pierre Frisch

2007-06-14 Thread Miguel Arroz
Hi! That's why I hate to thank people... I always forget someone! :P Obviously, THANK YOU to all the presenters, and to the leaders and coders of WOnder, WOLips, and all the open source stuff we use everyday that gets our work done in a quick and intelligent way. This includes Anjo, Mi

Re: Moving to Eclipse...at least trying...

2007-06-14 Thread WO Dev
Hi Mike, You are right, I had to do that... but I'm going to reformat my post as a question? How to you access a method you have in Application.java (which extends ERXApplication) from another class specially Session.java (which extends ERXSession)? Thanks:) Xavier but now we got a

Re: Eclipse Vs. Xcode...but not really?

2007-06-14 Thread Jeremy Matthews
I agreebut unfortunately, there's more red tape than that. We'd need to completely re-image their environment and provide new DR docs...new management protocols...etc. Think bureaucracy... Needless to say, they want a list of reasons pro and con...reasons which I can't provide as I am no

Re: Moving to Eclipse...at least trying...

2007-06-14 Thread Mike Schrag
but now we got a class cast exception on the rm line... In addition to this, it seems we got some null pointer exceptions when trying to access the application from a component. New official policy is that no one is allowed to refer to an exception in story form ("once upon a time i saw an ex

Public "Thank you" to Apple and Mr. Pierre Frisch

2007-06-14 Thread Miguel Arroz
Hi! I'm sometimes very critic in relation to Apple's actions (or lack of them) in several fields, specially related to WO. But, when you criticize, you should also recognize when Apple does the right thing. And that's what I want to do here. I want to write a big, huge, THANK YOU to

Re: Eclipse Vs. Xcode...but not really?

2007-06-14 Thread Pascal Robert
On 07-06-14, at 18:06, Jeremy Matthews wrote: P.S. - I'd omit the fact that Xcode 2.x is the end of the road for WO tools in XcodeI've made that VERY clear. Leopard will support them, but thats the end of the road... You really have to migrate... And this is coming from a XCode user

Eclipse Vs. Xcode...but not really?

2007-06-14 Thread Jeremy Matthews
So I get that Eclipse is where things are going for WO developmentbut I have a few clients who operate in managed environments...so I need to give them a list of reasons of having either Xcode or Eclipse (there is this odd 1-limit IDE for their environment due to some past craziness...)

Moving to Eclipse...at least trying...

2007-06-14 Thread WO Dev
Hello guys, We're actually trying to move our projects to Eclipse. Thanks to a couple people (including Anjo;)) and Chuck's scripts we were able to "get started". But we are having a weird issue when trying to execute our application: We are using WOResourceManager to access some of our stri

Re: WOHyperLink and form submit --> wocode.com expired

2007-06-14 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 07/06/2007, at 10:43 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 7-Jun-07, at 8:35 AM, fraise tagada wrote: I've a WOHyperLink with an action (binding) and I want that the action submit a form. I try to do that in my action but is not the good solution :

Re: Migrating from XCode

2007-06-14 Thread Ted Archibald
Thanks! I might try migrating one of my current projects this weekend. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http:/

Migrating from XCode

2007-06-14 Thread Pascal Robert
I wrote a wiki page to detail the steps to migrate from XCode to Eclipse/WOLips, based on my first migrations : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Migrating+from +XCode+to+WOLips ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
Great! Go for it. I think this is really needed! /Fredrik 14 jun 2007 kl. 08.29 skrev David LeBer: Hey all, For those of you who are not attending WWDC, there has been a lively discussion about many things WO. Motivated by this I whipped together a WO Getting Started page gettingstartedw

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Ken Anderson
Actually, I think the result was totally predictable - in fact, I predicted it. The only way WebObjects was really usable was when consultants with experience and skills brought it into a company and applied it's capabilities intelligently. Once WO got cheap, it didn't make any sense for

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Yu
You are correct. WebObjects is one of the only examples of a totally weird economic model. Drop the price, demand drops. Isn't it suppose to be the other way around? Once the price dropped, Apple could not support a major software sales force to push WebObjects. Many of the IT shops jus

Re: WO 5.3.3/Tiger/No template found for component

2007-06-14 Thread Rick Innis
From some previous searching I believe this may be connected to the fact that the applications affected are both localized, so the template it's looking exists in Contents/Resources/ {French,English}.lproj but not in Contents/Resources. However, I've yet to find the insight that allows me

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Florijan Stamenkovic
Hi all, What used to be true: 1. Apple used to provide the "getting started with..." tutorials, of good quality. Not anymore. 2. The same documentation also provided decent architectural overviews of EOF and WO. 3. You could always go back to those docs and find the same text telling more

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists
Hi List, Yes; I was that guy asking the question, as we first proposed WebObjects to a client in July 1995! With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca] Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc. HQ: (+1) 604.921.1333 Fax: (+1) 604.921.4313 Cell: (+1) 604.787.253

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
My only objection to a non-virtual book is how quickly things change. Chuck Hill's book on WebObjects is brilliant. It's the best book I've read on the subject by far. But many aspects of it are already out of date with respect to the best way to do things. For example, my company just

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Warner
The amount of brain power in the WO community is staggering. This was confirmed when I attended the WOWODC session last Sunday and listened to the presenters. Yet, IMESHO, there is something bogus about asking others to write documentation for you (see post below). I HATE writing docu

Re: Fetch and Direct to WebServices

2007-06-14 Thread Philippe Rabier
On 14 juin 07, at 01:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using EOModeler 5.3.4, WO 5.3.3 on Mac OSX. I am selecting the entity in EOModeler for the FetchSpec, creating the fetch, naming it and resaving the model. I then start a Direct to WebServices project and create a New Service and make pub

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2007-06-14 Thread Shravan Kumar.M
Hello David, I liked your thoughts David, am planning to help you in building up this site. Let me know how can I help you. Thanks & Rgds, Shravan Kumar.M "Let us learn from the past to profit by the present,and from the present to live better in the future." --William WordsWorth --

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Mark Morris
Poor choice of words on my part, I meant unlimited clients, per server. I also had the impression that WO was taken more seriously when it had high-end pricing. Interesting, isn't it? Regards, Mark On Jun 14, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Alexander Spohr wrote: I remember these prices: Developer:

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread David Holt
I think that the wikibook is a fantastic resource for reference if you have a specific problem. It is not the best place to get the context for why you might be needing some of the advice in the wikibook. Everyone who contributes where ever they can are going to give context for why they'

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Spohr
I remember these prices: Developer: $3000 Deployment: $100.000 (Per System, unlimited CPUs) Dep-Backup: $50.000 So there never was an unlimited deployment. And that where the best times for WO; you could sell it to the Big Players. After the price-drop no one took WO seriously anymore. It al

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
David, I agree with all your points about the way the wiki looks/behaves. And I am approaching it from the POV of somebody who has been doing WO development for coming up on 10 years now (yikes! I'm getting old) and am just hungry for the new information (project Wonder stuff, etc.). So

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Gavin Eadie
At 8:25 AM -0700 6/14/07, Pascal Robert wrote: This might actually work against the goal, but what do you think about having a page where all the people on the lists that use WebObjects can go and list themselves and their organization as WebObjects users? ... We did that already! Of course,

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Q
On 15/06/2007, at 2:22 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: Agreed. How do we (and I guess by we I mean everybody on this list) come to an agreement on the one place that should be the definitive posting grounds? Honestly, I sometimes find navigating the wiki book less than ideal, but it's kind

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
Janine, I think you make a good point. The last thing I want to do is discourage participation. Maybe people can just be on the lookout for useful content on these third party smaller sites, and can ask the author for permission to post in the wikibook (or whatever). Also, maybe the th

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread David LeBer
On 14-Jun-07, at 8:57 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: My understanding is that the webobjects wiki book (http:// en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects) is trying to become the central point of documentation for WebObjects that people post to. There's already a ton of info there, but we

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
Agreed. How do we (and I guess by we I mean everybody on this list) come to an agreement on the one place that should be the definitive posting grounds? Honestly, I sometimes find navigating the wiki book less than ideal, but it's kind of a minor irritation that I can live with if it solv

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Janine Sisk
I've been participating in open source projects for a long time, and I've seen many different approaches. In my experience, when people worry about having too many sources of information it ends up stifling participation. Each person who sets up their own site has reasons why they don't w

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Dana Kashubeck
On 6/14/07 11:57 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: My understanding is that the webobjects wiki book (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects) is trying to become the central point of documentation for WebObjects that people post to. There's already a ton of info there, but we all know

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
My understanding is that the webobjects wiki book (http:// en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects) is trying to become the central point of documentation for WebObjects that people post to. There's already a ton of info there, but we all know it could use a ton more. At WOWODC, when

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Robert Walker
David, This all sounds great to me. I believe history has shown that open source projects live or die by the efforts of the core contributors. WebObjects is obviously moving to a community based developer environment, which has a great core team that has contributed much to the platform

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Janine Sisk
I have been thinking sort of along the same lines. I have received several requests this week to put my tutorial up where other people can edit it, but due to some bad experiences in the past (not with anyone here) I get hives just thinking about allowing open editing. So my thought was t

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Pascal Robert
Hi David, if you want, you can use the wocommunity.org domain for that. Hey all, For those of you who are not attending WWDC, there has been a lively discussion about many things WO. Motivated by this I whipped together a WO Getting Started page gettingstartedwithwo.codeferous.com/> and I'

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Pascal Robert
On 07-06-14, at 07:10, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: This might actually work against the goal, but what do you think about having a page where all the people on the lists that use WebObjects can go and list themselves and their organization as WebObjects users? That's my project :-) I hope

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Thierry Kramis
Hi there I was thinking about this as well for some time now. Because for newcomers it's pretty hard to find a way around... The core of this is the easy of use I think. If people like the site and can easily contribute it will be a success. Otherwise it'll fail. I'd be glad to contribute

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Mark Morris
As I recall (and I didn't start with WebObjects until 1997, so it could have been different in 1995 ;-), it was $50K for an unlimited deployment license. I believe the per developer costs were much, much less, but I can't remember specifics. -- Mark On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:49 AM, Cheong Hee

Re: Getting Started With WO site

2007-06-14 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
Hey, thanks for doing that. I think it looks snazzy. WebObjects today is all about supportive community, from my POV, and I'm glad to be part of it. I'm glad to see so many links on the page pointing to the wiki book, because I think that's turning into the central repository for documen

Re: wocode.com down?

2007-06-14 Thread Patrick Middleton
On 14 Jun 2007, at 14:53, Oliver Scheel wrote: What's up with wocode.com? "Godaddy.com" complains about renewal of wocode.com... Any ideas? Oliver localhost> whois wocode.com Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different comp

wocode.com down?

2007-06-14 Thread Oliver Scheel
What's up with wocode.com? "Godaddy.com" complains about renewal of wocode.com... Any ideas? Oliver ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/U

Re: How to set a higher response timeout?

2007-06-14 Thread Helmut Schottmüller
It is working if I am defining proper values for the send/receive/ connect timeouts of my application instances in JavaMonitor, but it's not working while I am using my application in Direct Connect mode. I thought I could change it with the send/receive/connect timouts in the Site preferenc

Re: How to set a higher response timeout?

2007-06-14 Thread Stefan Klein
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Modal Dialog problem on Mac

2007-06-14 Thread Sethiya, Govind
Hi I have a problem In Mac on safari 10.4.7 browser, when we click Help Button inside the modal Dialog to execute JSObject(Help Page), a new Browser window appears with the URL, but the browser window does not load it contents. Moreover, opens the new browser window in the back side of the JDial

How to set a higher response timeout?

2007-06-14 Thread Helmut Schottmüller
Hi, I'm doing some very time intensive calculations for a database import. After 30 seconds, my browser window only shows "No instance available" and I'm getting a warning that there was an exception while sending response: java.net.SocketException: Broken pipe. Where can I set a higher r

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Cheong Hee (Datasonic)
It was once even voted by developers as the top 3 Java Developer Tools in one of the surveys, if I could recall correctly ... The price at that time was nearly USD40k per developer license! Wait a minute... On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Gavin Eadie wrote: The approach, which supports devel

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Gavin Eadie
At 11:43 PM -0700 6/13/07, Gavin Eadie wrote: In one of today's WebObjects sessions at WWDC, it was asked how old WebObjects really is. Work started on it in 1994 and ... ... while I'm in a historical mood, here's one for today -- please excuse the diversion from normal business, but I actual

Re: historical context ...

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Lynch
On 14 Jun 2007, at 07:56, Janine Sisk wrote: Wait a minute... On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Gavin Eadie wrote: The approach, which supports development for Sun's Java, will allow programmers to vastly expand offerings on the Web, changing it from a fairly static medium to a more interacti