Re: Localization

2009-09-16 Thread Francesco Romano
Ok.. I'll take a look to ERXLocalizer. (I thought having different wo component very similar to have different .nib files..plus using the .string file for "programmatic" localization). And.. what about the EURO sign? Why I can't render it?? Il giorno 17/set/2009, alle ore 01.24, Ramsey Lee

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Ravi Mendis
You're right - it's not necessarily anti-concurrent. Just that if you use a static var you must ensure that it is private and its setter is synchronized (or some similar precaution to make its use thread-safe). Scala offers the convenience of not allowing the developer to ever define a shared

=== WEBAPPZ releases PDFkit 5.4.3 ===

2009-09-16 Thread Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE / September 17, 2009 WEBAPPZ releases PDFkit 5.4.3. After several years since the first release of WEBAPPZ's PDFkit, WEBAPPZ is making the product available at no charge. WEBAPPZ has decided to modernize its revenue model regarding its PDF generation product. Instead

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 17/09/2009, at 3:24 PM, Ravi Mendis wrote: I am thinking of using Scala with WebObjects...yes. Typically deadlocks are more likely to be caused by your own code, rather than the underlying frameworks. This assumes you're using Wonder/WO/EOF in a thread-safe manner. i.e you are taking the

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Ravi Mendis
Hi Q, I am thinking of using Scala with WebObjects...yes. Typically deadlocks are more likely to be caused by your own code, rather than the underlying frameworks. This assumes you're using Wonder/WO/EOF in a thread-safe manner. i.e you are taking the necessary precautions for EOF (like turnin

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Q
On 17/09/2009, at 2:43 PM, Ravi Mendis wrote: Playtime is over for Scala... ...my intention is to do my next production app in Scala. The primary motivation for using Scala is that it is inherently thread-safe. Web 2.0 apps (like a ERDivaLook app for example) really need concurrent request

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Tim Worman
I should have looked there to begin with. This was my answer: "Scala compiles to java bytecode. Hence using it with WebObjects is fairly straightforward." Thanks for taking the time to put up that resource. I don't relish learning a new language right now but the reasons to do so are good

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Jean Pierre Malrieu
On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike Nowak wrote: I don't care particularly if its open source. I just want a road map or a deprecation date if any. Yeah, me too On the opposite, we are giving up on WO because our clients (French public institutions) want open source solutions. JPM

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Ravi Mendis
Hi Tim, Yes. Here's how to use Scala to code a WO app: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/WebObjects+with+Scala Thanks, Ravi On Thursday, September 17, 2009, at 06:51AM, "Tim Worman" wrote: >Ravi et al: > >How is it possible to use another language like Scala to code >WebObj

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Tim Worman
Ravi et al: How is it possible to use another language like Scala to code WebObjects apps? Sorry for the newb question - I'm really interested in the answer. My first real programming (apart from filemaker, applescript, shell, etc.) is webobjects and I wasn't a computer science major so t

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Ravi Mendis
Playtime is over for Scala... ...my intention is to do my next production app in Scala. The primary motivation for using Scala is that it is inherently thread-safe. Web 2.0 apps (like a ERDivaLook app for example) really need concurrent request handling. With Java, one can be careful, but unless

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Q
Thanks Ravi, I will check it out. It's only been 2 years and 3 months since I asked the original question. :) Over the last couple of years I have actually written a few proof of concept approaches for writing wo apps in other languages: ruby, groovy, javascript, etc. They worked with vario

Re: Periodic tasks

2009-09-16 Thread Andrew Lindesay
Hello Chan; One possibility is to use "cron" on UNIX and use "curl" to hit a DA in your WOA. From there it can; a) do the task straight away in the R-R cycle b) do the task in a background thread on the same VM c) offload the task to a bank of batch-processing VMs to run in a constrained t

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 17/09/2009, at 1:35 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: On 17/09/2009, at 12:52 PM, John Ours wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: On the path to WO 5.4.3 over 2007/2008, and simply when I'm trying to understand specific behavi

Periodic tasks

2009-09-16 Thread Chan Yeow Heong, Jerome
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Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Chuck Hill
On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: On 17/09/2009, at 12:52 PM, John Ours wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: On the path to WO 5.4.3 over 2007/2008, and simply when I'm trying to understand specific behaviours, not having the source-code was/ is quite

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 17/09/2009, at 12:52 PM, John Ours wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: On the path to WO 5.4.3 over 2007/2008, and simply when I'm trying to understand specific behaviours, not having the source-code was/ is quite annoying -- I would have thought that it would be

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Andrew Lindesay
Hello John; ...and I don't think the source would necessarily have much impact on the community. If I had have had the source code I would have been able to investigate, patch and move forward rather than roll-back to a previous major version and then to wait an indefinite and unknown p

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread John Ours
On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: Hi John; On the path to WO 5.4.3 over 2007/2008, and simply when I'm trying to understand specific behaviours, not having the source-code was/is quite annoying -- I would have thought that it would be beneficial for Apple to have all o

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 17/09/2009, at 12:24 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: Here's the other thing from a developer standpoint...if they ever were to open source it, it would surely be APSL and not GPL so you could never borrow any of the code for anything anyway. Most Linux distributions won't touch the APSL (see

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 17/09/2009, at 11:35 AM, David LeBer wrote: On 2009-09-16, at 9:27 PM, Ravi Mendis wrote: Dusting off an ancient thread here... For those interested in programming WebObjects in Scala, you might like: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/WebObjects+with+Scala Thanks to Do

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Andrew Lindesay
Hi John; Here's the other thing from a developer standpoint...if they ever were to open source it, it would surely be APSL and not GPL so you could never borrow any of the code for anything anyway. Most Linux distributions won't touch the APSL (see launchd and bonjour). So really what w

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread John Ours
On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: but I can't think of anything else that might motivate them to make any significant changes. Well the usual motivation is twofold: (1) to allow the product to evolve faster and cheaper because of community involvement and/or (2) to increase

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread David LeBer
On 2009-09-16, at 9:27 PM, Ravi Mendis wrote: Dusting off an ancient thread here... For those interested in programming WebObjects in Scala, you might like: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/WebObjects+with +Scala Thanks to Dominique Schonenberger for gifting me "Programmi

Re: Anyone playing with Scala?

2009-09-16 Thread Ravi Mendis
Dusting off an ancient thread here... For those interested in programming WebObjects in Scala, you might like: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/WebObjects+with+Scala Thanks to Dominique Schonenberger for gifting me "Programming in Scala" (by Martin Odersky) for my holidays :) F

Re: Google Data Client Library (gdata) install with WebObjects

2009-09-16 Thread Pascal Robert
Oh yes, I went back to my project that use gdata, and I remembered that the JARs that Google provide are for Java 6... I had to compile them in a Eclipse project to build Java 5 JARs. Greeting, Has anyone installed and used gdata with WebObjects? Gdata looks like the best option for gett

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 09-09-16 à 20:00, Chuck Hill a écrit : On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:48 PM, arosenzw...@clinworx.com wrote: Hi Stephane (and all WOrriors), You make a good argument but think of it another way: 1) WO is not directly making money for apple 2) Open-sourcing could be a money loser for apple: The

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Chuck Hill
On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:48 PM, arosenzw...@clinworx.com wrote: Hi Stephane (and all WOrriors), You make a good argument but think of it another way: 1) WO is not directly making money for apple 2) Open-sourcing could be a money loser for apple: They might lose a perceived bargaining chip.

RE: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread arosenzweig
Hi Stephane (and all WOrriors), You make a good argument but think of it another way: 1) WO is not directly making money for apple 2) Open-sourcing could be a money loser for apple: They might lose a perceived bargaining chip. There is no financial incentive for Apple to open WO. I only see

Re: Localization

2009-09-16 Thread Ramsey Lee Gurley
Hi Francesco, I'll second what Pascal is saying. Unless you really _need_ a localized component, stick to localized strings. You'll just end up making your app *a lot* harder to maintain with lots of localized WOComponents. It's simple math... two components = twice the work. :-) Ramse

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Mike Nowak
Amen. On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike Nowak wrote: I don't care particularly if its open source. I just want a road map or a deprecation date if any. Yeah, me too. WO being Open Source doesn't do anything for me - other than that I ca

Re: Localization

2009-09-16 Thread Pascal Robert
Do yourself a favor and use ERXLocalizer. The method of having one WO component per language is purely trouble. Hi.. I need to localize a WO app in two languages: italian and english. So.. I read this page: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Web+Applications-Development-Localiz

Re: Google Data Client Library (gdata) install with WebObjects

2009-09-16 Thread Chuck Hill
On Sep 16, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Greg Smith wrote: Greeting, Has anyone installed and used gdata with WebObjects? Gdata looks like the best option for getting google calendar data into WebObjects. I tried to install it but no luck, WO can't find imports. There may be some issues with gda

Re: Google Data Client Library (gdata) install with WebObjects

2009-09-16 Thread Pascal Robert
I played with the Google Analytics API, which I think also use gdata, and it was working fine. I guess you can also use CalDAV to get calendar data from Google Calendar, I didn't try their implementation with ical4j-connect but I'm pretty sure it will work. Greeting, Has anyone installed

Re: Google Data Client Library (gdata) install with WebObjects

2009-09-16 Thread Johnny Miller
I use the youTube apis. I just drop the jars I need into the libraries folder and then add them to the class path. HTH, Johnny On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Greg Smith wrote: Greeting, Has anyone installed and used gdata with WebObjects? Gdata looks like the best option for getting goo

Localization

2009-09-16 Thread Francesco Romano
Hi.. I need to localize a WO app in two languages: italian and english. So.. I read this page: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Web+Applications-Development-Localization+and+Internationalization I create two folders in Resources: Italian.lproj and English.lproj. Than I move every

Google Data Client Library (gdata) install with WebObjects

2009-09-16 Thread Greg Smith
Greeting, Has anyone installed and used gdata with WebObjects? Gdata looks like the best option for getting google calendar data into WebObjects. I tried to install it but no luck, WO can't find imports. There may be some issues with gdata expecting to be use with Tomcat. All I've tri

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Klaus Berkling
On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike Nowak wrote: I don't care particularly if its open source. I just want a road map or a deprecation date if any. Yeah, me too. WO being Open Source doesn't do anything for me - other than that I can share my WO deployment installer with the wocommunity. W

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread André Mitra
You mean WO is moving back to Objective C, bravo! On 16-Sep-09, at 5:19 AM, Stephane Guyot wrote: SUN is in my point of view the Lehman Brother of IT ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list

2009 surveys are up

2009-09-16 Thread Pascal Robert
Ok people, The two surveys are up. As in last year, we have one survey for organizations and one for individual developers. If you are a one-man shop, please answer both surveys. Organization survey : http://www.survs.com/survey?id=CRDU8UY3&channel=T8TGXAW70R Preview : htt

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Mike Nowak
I don't care particularly if its open source. I just want a road map or a deprecation date if any. On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: apple has patents on many aspects of WebObjects that are valuable On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Mike Nowak wrote: I just don't understand why an

Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Pascal Robert
I know that the community, Mike, Chuck, Pascal, Anjo and ... , are doing great work to promote WO, but I not totally agree the way they do it. I give enough money to Apple, buying Macs, iPhone, iPods and iTunes Music ( I'm very happy client, http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore

What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?

2009-09-16 Thread Stephane Guyot
Hi, my primary goal was not to discuss about patents. I just think that WebObjects is a WOnderfull technology, very well integrated solution ( EOF+WO ) I've spent 10 years developping with WO, but for 3 years now I'm working with Flex. Nice technology, server side agno

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Gustavo Pizano
I dunno much about patents, but I think patents are a way to leave a mark in history. Just that people confuse that to lave a mark (read as "leave millions of $$ " ) in the bank account. :P G. On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: Am 16.09.2009 um 09:48 schrieb Q: Patents shou

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Anjo Krank
Am 16.09.2009 um 09:48 schrieb Q: Patents should be a way to protect yourself from having to compete against your own invention in a commercial market. Ie. Patents should exist for the purpose of protection from direct competition and utilising an idea or invention with exclusivity, not a w

Re: WebObjects become opensource ?

2009-09-16 Thread Q
On 16/09/2009, at 7:02 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: If you were well-versed in ANY field, wouldn't your scenario equally be true? If I'm a mechanic and you come up with a new engine design, once I see what you've done and how you've done it, it's probably pretty easy for me to make one ... I hav