On 15-Jun-07, at 12:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Is EOF going to support JPA (Java Persistence Architecture)
anytime soon?
2. Is direct support for connection pooling going to be implemented?
3. Any word on open source status?
We have been seriously investigating Hibernate
Anyone have any stories (both good and bad) about trying to go from
EOF to Hibernate but continuing to use WO?
-Lon
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I think the WO community is a very strong one. I have been using WO since
1996. While Hibernate has a big learning curve to it it has also made a
lot of forward progress in comparison to EOF. There are still a lot of
things I like about EOF including having a centralized place to look for
model
On 15.06.2007, at 14:06, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
Project Wonder should be incorporated into EOF/WO ASAP by Apple.
No, it shouldn't. They should take some of the ideas and add them to
the core, but they should definitely not "integrate Wonder". Wonder
is a huge framework maintained by a commun
Hello Dov;
I just wish
Apple would give it more respect and realize that the rest of the
world
would benefit from it.
I might be being pessimistic, but I'm not so sure if significant
portions of the software engineering population would have the
mindset to really get into the groove wit
On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
I think the WO community is a very strong one. I have been using WO
since 1996. While Hibernate has a big learning curve to it – it has
also made a lot of forward progress in comparison to EOF.
That is probably as it started out with very
some
time from a decent tech writer to help out on some WO based open source
projects. Probably wouldn't take them very long to make a big impact.
As I mentioned before - Hibernate is a lot lower level and not nearly as
elegant as EOF in terms of how it does things. But it does provide a lower
Hi
I'm using Hibernate for setting up a in memory database for test cases and
then runs a lot of test cases involving EOF, seem to work fine in parallel,
so hibernate can problably run in a app server with no trouble.
But why do all that integration work (integrating Hibernate), when you
all
No, nothing special neededI've used EOF for years and years...just
exploring options. HQL is a nice concept though.
-Lon
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tonny Staunsbrink wrote:
> Hi
> I'm using Hibernate for setting up a in memory database for test cases and
> then
Lon,
We used hibernate on a project we did for the city a couple
of years back. Everytime I suggest we may need to use it
again to my lead developer he screams and runs out of the
room. :-)
Regards,
Luke Holton
Tel: (602) 279-4600 ext 622
Fax: (602) 279-4768
Desert Sky Software
> Lon,
>
> We used hibernate on a project we did for the city a couple
> of years back. Everytime I suggest we may need to use it
> again to my lead developer he screams and runs out of the
> room. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Luke Holton
>
> Tel: (602) 279-46
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Luke Holton wrote:
Lon,
We used hibernate on a project we did for the city a couple
of years back. Everytime I suggest we may need to use it
again to my lead developer he screams and runs out of the
room. :-)
He liked it then? :-P
Chuck
Regards,
Luke
wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Luke Holton wrote:
Lon,
We used hibernate on a project we did for the city a couple
of years back. Everytime I suggest we may need to use it
again to my lead developer he screams and runs out of the
room. :-)
He liked it then? :-P
Chuck
Regards
I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of school I
tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he was about to put 0
on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to put @anotations at the
begining of classes and methods, but well probably thats out of t
I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of
school I tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he
was about to put 0 on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to
put @anotations at the begining of classes and methods, but well
probably th
Hi All,
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you please
share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate doesn't cut it
for you?
Some of the aspects about Hibernate that I thought were different than EOF
[in a good way]
1. the Session doesn't
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you
please share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate
doesn't cut it for you?
I actually think Hibernate has quite a few very nice features (that
EOF should steal), not the least of which is a very
On 25.2.2009, at 18:45, Mike Schrag wrote:
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you
please share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate
doesn't cut it for you?
I actually think Hibernate has quite a few very nice features (that
EOF should
Sorry about last mail..
Lord had Spoken!! (I mean MS)
even I worked with Hibernate, it gave me hard times, but I didnt work
that much to have a valid opinion.
Gus
On 25.2.2009, at 18:45, Mike Schrag wrote:
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you
please share
1,
and for request-response loop 2 I could have the same Session bound to DB
Connection 2. As I understand EOEditingContexts are bound to an OSC. So
all the ECs for one OSC would contend for the same DB connection and
it would be harder to scale out?
>
>
> 2. it's easier to multi-
I'll at least but in one one data point below.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you please
>> share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate doesn't cut it
>> for you?
&g
#1 above. It's easier to just take a free
connection from a DB connection pool. In essence a Hibernate
session directly binds to a DB connection and doesn't have an OSC
layer in between.
I think Hibernate must have the equiv of an OSC somewhere floating in
there, as you'd
On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Oliver Scheel wrote:
I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of
school I tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he
was about to put 0 on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to
put @anotations at the b
Wonder, for instance, could easily add nice default validators without
> requiring any changes to EOF (and actually HAS a bunch of this with Validity
> framework, but I'm not sure if anyone actually uses it or what the state of
> it is)
I was using Validity in a project started a couple years ago
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code and I think it is one of those t
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code and I think it is one of those t
On Feb 25, 2009, at 19:20, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise th
On 26/02/2009, at 10:20 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise th
On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 26/02/2009, at 10:20 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise th
On 26/02/2009, at 12:17 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing
On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 26/02/2009, at 12:17 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined valid
Am 26.02.2009 um 00:20 schrieb Mike Schrag:
Anjo, I believe, is also adamantly against model-based validations
too, though. I don't know if this helps or hurts your case ;)
I so love it when people put words in my mouth :)
Long ago, I wrote the enhancements for ERXEntityClassDesc that allow
Am 26.02.2009 um 02:50 schrieb Chuck Hill:
Not sure for Anjo ... but one reason I can think of where
validation defined in the model is that this means that differing
applications using the same model (where the requirements may be
slightly different) are restricted to the same rules. Some
I think in a ideal world the database should be the most restrictive
(if performance will not be lacking) and have all validation as it can
be used for more than one application and can be edited directly, but
the validation that can be done earlier should be done earlier, not
putting any c
t;
>>
>> I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of school I
>> tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he was about to put 0
>> on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to put @anotations at the
>> begining of
Last time Iooked at Hibernate it was a half baked alternative to
EOAccess. Nothing in it that could compare to EOControl.
I was forced to use Hibernate on a WebObjects project. I will never
never ever again even remotely think about looking into Hibernate.
Pierre
On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:29
I do agree with Pierre.
Jérémy
Le 23 mars 09 à 23:48, Houdah - ML Pierre Bernard a écrit :
Last time Iooked at Hibernate it was a half baked alternative to
EOAccess. Nothing in it that could compare to EOControl.
I was forced to use Hibernate on a WebObjects project. I will never
never
Hi,I am planning on migrating an existing cocoon framework/hibernate/postgreSQL project over to webobjects framework. Can anyone please tell me what possible benefits I would get from employing webobjects in terms of:
1. MVC (Continuations)2. Persistence (mapping)3. Seperation of concerns
oice to me ;-)
http://cayenne.apache.org/
Cheers,
Andrus
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER wrote:
I do agree with Pierre.
Jérémy
Le 23 mars 09 à 23:48, Houdah - ML Pierre Bernard a écrit :
Last time Iooked at Hibernate it was a half baked alternative to
EOAccess. Nothing in it
On Jun 25, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Madu wrote:
Hi,
I am planning on migrating an existing cocoon
framework/hibernate/postgreSQL
project over to webobjects framework. Can anyone please tell me what
possible benefits I would get from employing webobjects in terms of:
1. MVC (Continuations)
2
On 16/06/2007, at 8:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote:
We have been seriously investigating Hibernate.
No matter where in the world you are now. You might have heard me
crying!
I had the "pleasure" to be involved in a Hibernate project. I
wouldn't know where to start c
Hi All,
I am completely new to WebObjects and I have gone through the WebObjects
Community for the basic information and I successfully ran sample webObjecs
application in windows using Eclipse.But I wanted to try out more things
like integrating with Hibernate and Spring.This weekend I am going
I also prefer EOF and Cayenne to Hibernate, but I've had to use Hibernate on
a project and it's usable. It's not great, and certain things like the
criteria api are completely broken to the point of uselessness, but as open
sources projects go I've seen much worse. I think th
I don't know why you would use either one. WebObjects is not J2EE. Part of
WebObjects is EOF which does a similar job to what Hibernate does.
Chuck
On 2013-03-08, at 7:42 PM, miriyala srinivas wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am completely new to WebObjects and I have gone through the
As Chuck mentionned, WebObjects is a full stack framework. However you can
just use the "presentation" part of WO and use whatever java library to
access your data. That said, I'm pretty sure Hibernate domain objects (fake
POJOs as they are in fact managed by Hibernate) will be
Chuck is spot on here. If you want to use WO with raw JDBC, Hibernate or any
of the other J2EE miasma then you are missing the point.
Use WO as it is (inside a J2EE container or just standalone) and forget the
other complex stuff from J2EE.
Karl
On 8 Mar 2013, at 20:38, Chuck Hill wrote
Correct me if i am wrong , what I understood from your responses is we can
integrate WO with Hibernate but its work around kind of thing, right?
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Karl Gretton wrote:
> Chuck is spot on here. If you want to use WO with raw JDBC, Hibernate or
> any of the
Essentially, yes. If you're looking for an exercise, it would be better to
implement something completely in WebObjects first, and then understand what
would have to happen in order to use hibernate instead. It's unlikely you'll
get a whole lot of help for what most would consi
I think that "ridiculous waste of time" is the phrase you want. I doubt that
anyone here or anywhere else has done this. If you want Hibernate, why use
WebObjects? You just want the web presentation layer and lots of needless
problems?
Chuck
On 2013-03-10, at 7:35 AM, miriyal
Thanks Karl,I will start working on EOF first and then Hibernate.I
would really need your help when i Stuck Hibernate integration.
On 3/10/13, Ken Anderson wrote:
> Essentially, yes. If you're looking for an exercise, it would be better to
> implement something completely in WebOb
We [Rand McNally] are needing a Java developer (Spring/Hibernate/Maven),
who might also know PHP/Wordpress, and some iOS.
= Robert =
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