I do agree with Pierre.
Jérémy
Le 23 mars 09 à 23:48, Houdah - ML Pierre Bernard a écrit :
Last time Iooked at Hibernate it was a half baked alternative to
EOAccess. Nothing in it that could compare to EOControl.
I was forced to use Hibernate on a WebObjects project. I will never
never ev
Last time Iooked at Hibernate it was a half baked alternative to
EOAccess. Nothing in it that could compare to EOControl.
I was forced to use Hibernate on a WebObjects project. I will never
never ever again even remotely think about looking into Hibernate.
Pierre
On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:29,
I/ We like WebObjects very much.
Its very easy to learn any application's data model in WebObjects but it is not
that easy in any other Java technologies. How Customer is related to Sales and
how these are related to Payments and so on ?
In WO, we can learn little and do more, whereas in
I think in a ideal world the database should be the most restrictive
(if performance will not be lacking) and have all validation as it can
be used for more than one application and can be edited directly, but
the validation that can be done earlier should be done earlier, not
putting any c
Am 26.02.2009 um 02:50 schrieb Chuck Hill:
Not sure for Anjo ... but one reason I can think of where
validation defined in the model is that this means that differing
applications using the same model (where the requirements may be
slightly different) are restricted to the same rules. Some
Am 26.02.2009 um 00:20 schrieb Mike Schrag:
Anjo, I believe, is also adamantly against model-based validations
too, though. I don't know if this helps or hurts your case ;)
I so love it when people put words in my mouth :)
Long ago, I wrote the enhancements for ERXEntityClassDesc that allow
On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 26/02/2009, at 12:17 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation s
On 26/02/2009, at 12:17 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I qui
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code a
On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 26/02/2009, at 10:20 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I
On 26/02/2009, at 10:20 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code and
On Feb 25, 2009, at 19:20, Mike Schrag wrote:
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code and
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code and I think it is one of those things that
somethi
3. Hibernate validators are not too bad for basic validations
I've always felt that EOF should have more out-of-the-box model-
defined validation support
I'm not so sure about EOF doing this -- I quite like being able to
organise this in-code and I think it is one of those things that
somet
Wonder, for instance, could easily add nice default validators without
> requiring any changes to EOF (and actually HAS a bunch of this with Validity
> framework, but I'm not sure if anyone actually uses it or what the state of
> it is)
I was using Validity in a project started a couple years ago
On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Oliver Scheel wrote:
I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of
school I tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he
was about to put 0 on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to
put @anotations at the begining of class
1. the Session doesn't need to be tightly bound. unlike
EOEditingContext that's tightly bound to the EOObjectStoreCoordinator
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, or what you the desired
features would be if you could "unbind" an EC from an OSC? You can
obviously just make an EC with a
I'll at least but in one one data point below.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you please
>> share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate doesn't cut it
>> for you?
>
> I actually think Hibernate
Inline ...
>
> 1. the Session doesn't need to be tightly bound. unlike EOEditingContext
>> that's tightly bound to the EOObjectStoreCoordinator
>>
> I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, or what you the desired features
> would be if you could "unbind" an EC from an OSC? You can obviously ju
Sorry about last mail..
Lord had Spoken!! (I mean MS)
even I worked with Hibernate, it gave me hard times, but I didnt work
that much to have a valid opinion.
Gus
On 25.2.2009, at 18:45, Mike Schrag wrote:
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you
please share
On 25.2.2009, at 18:45, Mike Schrag wrote:
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you
please share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate
doesn't cut it for you?
I actually think Hibernate has quite a few very nice features (that
EOF should steal), no
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you
please share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate
doesn't cut it for you?
I actually think Hibernate has quite a few very nice features (that
EOF should steal), not the least of which is a very large community
Hi All,
While the tone of the emails does sound in favor of EOF, could you please
share some concrete instances and examples of why Hibernate doesn't cut it
for you?
Some of the aspects about Hibernate that I thought were different than EOF
[in a good way]
1. the Session doesn't need to be tightl
I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of
school I tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he
was about to put 0 on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to
put @anotations at the begining of classes and methods, but well
probably thats out of topi
I'm not really a good friedn of hibernate, at last semester of school I
tried to propose the teacher to learn WO-EOF instead, he was about to put 0
on my grade, :S. hehehe. I really don't like to put @anotations at the
begining of classes and methods, but well probably thats out of topic.
Gus
O
Re:
He liked it then? :-P
Um. That would be stretch :-)
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Luke Holton
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Chuck Hill wrote
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Luke Holton wrote:
Lon,
We used hibernate on a project we did for the city a couple
of years back. Everytime I suggest we may need to use it
again to my lead developer he screams and runs out of the
room. :-)
He liked it then? :-P
Chuck
Regards,
Luke H
haha...well that's interesting to know. :) Someone I respect highly
recommends it (and has a history with EOF), so it's something I'm
exploring. I was just curious if other EOFers out there had any
experience.
-Lon
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Luke Holton wrote:
>
> Lon,
>
> We used hibern
Lon,
We used hibernate on a project we did for the city a couple
of years back. Everytime I suggest we may need to use it
again to my lead developer he screams and runs out of the
room. :-)
Regards,
Luke Holton
Tel: (602) 279-4600 ext 622
Fax: (602) 279-4768
Desert Sky Software: www.desertsk
No, nothing special neededI've used EOF for years and years...just
exploring options. HQL is a nice concept though.
-Lon
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tonny Staunsbrink wrote:
> Hi
> I'm using Hibernate for setting up a in memory database for test cases and
> then runs a lot of test case
Hi
I'm using Hibernate for setting up a in memory database for test cases and
then runs a lot of test cases involving EOF, seem to work fine in parallel,
so hibernate can problably run in a app server with no trouble.
But why do all that integration work (integrating Hibernate), when you
allready
When I mentioned incorporating Project Wonder - I really meant some of the
ideas embodied in the frameworks that the team has brought forward. Things
like additional qualifiers, multiple db connections, synchronization, better
lock management, etc. It would be even better if Apple would donate some
On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
I think the WO community is a very strong one. I have been using WO
since 1996. While Hibernate has a big learning curve to it – it has
also made a lot of forward progress in comparison to EOF.
That is probably as it started out with very l
I also prefer EOF and Cayenne to Hibernate, but I've had to use Hibernate on
a project and it's usable. It's not great, and certain things like the
criteria api are completely broken to the point of uselessness, but as open
sources projects go I've seen much worse. I think the use of annotations
Hello Dov;
I just wish
Apple would give it more respect and realize that the rest of the
world
would benefit from it.
I might be being pessimistic, but I'm not so sure if significant
portions of the software engineering population would have the
mindset to really get into the groove wit
On 15.06.2007, at 14:06, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
Project Wonder should be incorporated into EOF/WO ASAP by Apple.
No, it shouldn't. They should take some of the ideas and add them to
the core, but they should definitely not "integrate Wonder". Wonder
is a huge framework maintained by a commun
I think the WO community is a very strong one. I have been using WO since
1996. While Hibernate has a big learning curve to it it has also made a
lot of forward progress in comparison to EOF. There are still a lot of
things I like about EOF including having a centralized place to look for
model i
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