Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Steve Waterbury
Steve Waterbury wrote: > Off-topic alert! Take it to an XML list, please! Just to clarify: the discussion of Python tools for XML is great, and I'm learning from it! My plea was to try to avoid the issue of whether XML in general is a Good Thing, which tends to be theological. Sorry if

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Eldridge
Mike Orr wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 05:58:22PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It's certainly hard to define what convenience is where XML processing is > > concerned. Personally, I'm more and more against converting XML documents to > > other representations (or accessing them as tho

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Eldridge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'll certainly look into Python XPath packages, of which there must surely be > one included in the PyXML suite. I'm not 100% convinced of the robustness of > PyXML in these "edge cases", however - there was a fair amount of discussion > recently about what was needed

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Eldridge
Mike Orr wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:14:15PM -0400, Jeff Johnson wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:29:23PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I just wanted nicer ways of accessing XML information through the > > > > DOM API but without all the usual messing about handling > >

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Steve Waterbury
Ian Sparks wrote: > > >> > XML is wonderful in theory, ... > << > > I understand the sentiment but the truth is that DOM, XSLT, XPath, SAX : all > these "ridiculously complicated" new languages represent real and worthwhile > additions to the programmers toolbox ... Off-topic alert! Take it

RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Ian Sparks
f XML-aware Python applications by a significant amount. << Probably true but I think standardization on these other technologies will take us further in the long-run. - Ian Sparks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:36

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 05:58:22PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's certainly hard to define what convenience is where XML processing is > concerned. Personally, I'm more and more against converting XML documents to > other representations (or accessing them as those representations), Fu

RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Ian Sparks
inal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him. On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:21:33 -0400 Ian Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread paul
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:21:33 -0400 Ian Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>It's certainly hard to define what convenience is where XML processing is >concerned.<< > >XPath is as useful to XML documents as SQL is to RDBMS's. Sure, you can use >cursors to do everything you'd want to in an RDBM's b

RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Ian Sparks
robably isn't valid and I don't know the Python syntax for XPath use but you get the idea. - Ian Sparks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence Fo

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Orr) wrote: > >On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:14:15PM -0400, Jeff Johnson wrote: >> >> I haven't checked out pyrxp yet but have you all tried XPath? It's >> really easy to access XML info with it. > >No, what's xpath? ... Hmm, Parnassus lists three xpath packages (xml_index

RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Jeff Johnson
> No, what's xpath? ... Hmm, Parnassus lists three xpath packages > (xml_indexer, > a 4Suite tool, and PyXPath). Which do you recommend? > http://www.vex.net/parnassus/apyllo.py?so=d&find=xpath XPath defines a W3C standard syntax for pulling information out of an XML document. We use 4Suite,

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:14:15PM -0400, Jeff Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:29:23PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I just wanted nicer ways of accessing XML information through the > > > DOM API but without all the usual messing about handling > XML > > data > > > which isn

RE: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Jeff Johnson
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:29:23PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I just wanted nicer ways of accessing XML information > > through the DOM API but without all the usual messing about handling XML > data > > which isn't interesting - spurious text sections and so on. One problem > with > >

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:29:23PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just wanted nicer ways of accessing XML information > through the DOM API but without all the usual messing about handling XML data > which isn't interesting - spurious text sections and so on. One problem with > the DOM API

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread paul
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:59:34 +0200 Bill Eldridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I found it at: > >http://thor.prohosting.com/%7Epboddie/ This might be quite dated, but still interesting to look at. I was in the process of making lots of changes before getting distracted. >and > >http://www.imape

Re: [Webware-discuss] Whence FormKit? Or, alas, poor FormKit, weknew him.

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Eldridge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Orr) wrote: > >>In any case, there's also XMLForms lurking around somewhere. > > > I don't think it's actually available for download from anywhere, although > there was a mirror from which some versions were available. The domains through >