Re: [whatwg] UA validation and the submit event

On 17 Jan 2006 at 14:15, Jim Ley wrote: > I think you have to fire onsubmit, there are also lots of other things > people do onsubmit - copying information into hidden fields, calling > tracking scripts etc. It's really an issue with the user agent. I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't fire onsu

Re: [whatwg] Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

I guess I should have looked up the dictionary definition earlier on. I just looked it up now, and 1 of the definitions for "title" is "a general or descriptive heading for a section of a written work". I was wrong. If we look up "heading", we can see the same idea. I must say that I'm pretty

Re: [whatwg] Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:59:10 -0800, James Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or are you also in favor of and so on? Are you seriously asking me this, or are you just making a point? As a more general point, the notion of tying a element to a particular default presentation is weird because

Re: [whatwg] Allow as a child of

Hi, From: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check the DOM for that markup. "Backwards compatible" is not the words I would use... I know, yet the data gets submitted in Mozilla, Opera and IE6, which is what I meant with "backwards compatible". (FWIW, I'm considering dropping form="" altogeth

Re: [whatwg] Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:00:18 -0800, James Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Accepting mpt's argument for a moment, what is the semantic equivalent of or ? would be the equivalent of or . has no semantics; it is already an element of the type you suggest (except

Re: [whatwg] Allow as a child of

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Simon Pieters wrote: > > While that is true with the constraints of HTML4, we could allow forms to be > direct children of in HTML5. > > > > > > > > > This also happens to be backwards compatible with legacy UA's. Check the DOM for that markup. "Backwar

[whatwg] Allow as a child of

Hi, In the form attribute[1] section in WF2 there is an example that says: In this example, each row contains one form. Without the "form" attribute, it would not be possible to have more than one form per table if any of them spanned cells. While that is true with the constraints of HTML4, w

Re: [whatwg] Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:00:18 -0800, James Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Accepting mpt's argument for a moment, what is the semantic equivalent >> of or ? > > would be the equivalent of or . First of all, has an obviously presentational name that has be

Re: [whatwg] Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:00:18 -0800, James Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Accepting mpt's argument for a moment, what is the semantic equivalent of or ? would be the equivalent of or . I suppose is a bit like but surely we could just reintroduce and be done with it? Well, font wo

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 11:29 -0800, Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: > > You were talking about consistency with XHTML. Yet there has been no > > recommendation or standard (whatever you prefer) that contains such an > > element so the argument is bogus. > > Doesn't this count for something? > http://72.1

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:21:40 -0800, Anne van Kesteren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quoting "Eugene T.S. Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: is no more semantic that , , or , yet they have their uses. You snipped the part about not being in the proposal for HTML5 which is pretty important imho.

Re: [whatwg] Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:39:29 -0800, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If authors -- or specifications -- try too hard to use a semantic element, or to force other people to use it, it will be misused so much that UAs can no longer trust the element to have a

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: Hi all. Here is an example that I'm working on now. I'm trying to make a flyer/brochure to hand out to businesses after talking to them. I hope that they will consider giving me merchandise to use as prizes for a poker club that I'm trying to start. There is absolutely

Re: [whatwg] Bogus comment treated as a real comment in Mozilla

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Simon Pieters wrote: > > Consider the following snippet: > > PASS > > According to the spec there are two comments, first a bogus comment containing > "--", then a real comment containing ">FAIL > I agree with your interpretation and actually have a patch that fixes > Mozi

Re: [whatwg] UA validation and the submit event

On 1/17/06, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kayak.com is in trouble because they've set a maxlength that is > smaller than some of the data the script sets input value to. (I'm > sending them some feedback about that). However, the site shows an > interesting problem: t

Re: [whatwg] The element and "display: meta"

Sander Tekelenburg wrote: > At 15:26 -0500 UTC, on 2006-01-10, Matthew Raymond wrote: [Snip!] >> No, user agents could construct a link bar using the |rel| values of >>hyperlinks. > >Exactly. That would in fact be an implementation of display:meta. Rendering >the contents of TIT

[whatwg] UA validation and the submit event

Kayak.com is in trouble because they've set a maxlength that is smaller than some of the data the script sets input value to. (I'm sending them some feedback about that). However, the site shows an interesting problem: the UA (testing in Opera 9) does not submit the form because of the validati

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

Quoting "Eugene T.S. Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I forgot who asked for real world examples of using . I think that it might have been Anne, but unfortunately, I deleted the email already, and thus can't reply to it. I asked for a definition. Anyway, you can find who asked you here:

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

Quoting "Eugene T.S. Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: is no more semantic that , , or , yet they have their uses. You snipped the part about not being in the proposal for HTML5 which is pretty important imho. I believe that they are useful for visual user agents, in that we don't have to pr

Re: [whatwg] Element

Quoting "Eugene T.S. Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: can't possibly be defined to mean two different things while staying in the same namespace. Well, I suppose it could be based on the context it is placed in, but I think that would get confusing. Hmm, I was under the impression that we have se

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:28:05 -0800, Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a element type for this purpose. Use the following CSS: Yes, I know of that. That's a very useful bit of CSS. In fact, it's 1 of my favourite tricks, next to "display:inline-block", and "display:table"

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

Hi, From: "Eugene T.S. Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marketing Opportunity [...] The example is overkill to demonstrate just 1 line of code, but I want to strongly emphasize through demonstration that is used very sparingly and only on specific locations. In this case, it is used as a title

Re: [whatwg] , , ,

Hi all. I forgot who asked for real world examples of using . I think that it might have been Anne, but unfortunately, I deleted the email already, and thus can't reply to it. Here is an example that I'm working on now. I'm trying to make a flyer/brochure to hand out to businesses after t