I think if you want that effect, you flip what's visible in an area of the page
between a playing video, and an image. Relying on the poster is not effective,
IMHO.
On Dec 8, 2010, at 23:11 , Kevin Marks wrote:
Apologies for top posting; I'm on my phone.
One case where posters come back
I know it's not effective at the moment; it is a common use case.
QuickTime had the 'badge' ux for years that hardly anyone took advantage of:
http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.16/16.02/Feb00QTToolkit/index.html
What we're seeing on the web is a converged implementation of the
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Shiv Kumar wrote:
I'd like to see the implementation of the poster attribute change to
something that is more useful. By useful I mean something that wroks
without the need for javascript and works the way most people would
expect.
Currently the poster disappears as
Apologies for top posting; I'm on my phone.
One case where posters come back after playback is complete is when there
are multiple videos on the page, and only one has playback focus at a time,
such as a page of preview movies for longer ones to purchase.
In that case, showing the poster again
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Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On 22/09/2010 4:26 p.m., Shiv Kumar wrote:
What I suggested was to use a call to the load()
So in your mind calling load() implies showing the poster?
I think we should change to this. Then every call
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
No, this won’t work. I don’t want the poster to be shown during a seek so
the question of showing it until seek completes is moot.
I think Chris meant that the poster should remain shown if the user
chose to seek
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Now as far as how to fix this is concerned, I've repeatedly provided use
cases for why the load() may not work (won't satisfy one of the use cases
I've cited) as well as why the load() method shouldn't be used
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Chris Double chris.dou...@double.co.nzwrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com
wrote:
No, this won’t work. I don’t want the poster to be shown during a seek so
the question of showing it until seek completes is moot.
I
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Chris Double chris.dou...@double.co.nzwrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
Removing the poster attribute is an option to turn the poster off but
there is no way to turn it back on again.
You just need
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:14:34 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Chris Double
chris.dou...@double.co.nzwrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
Removing the poster attribute is an option
You just need to remember the value of the poster element before you remove
it - then you can set it back later.
Silvia, have you tried this?
Remember that at this time the poster never comes back on after the video
has ended even if the poster attribute is set.
Shiv
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
For the pause state you will have to use the onpause event to make any
changes. But to be honest, I doubt anyone would want to show the poster in
pause state. I have not seen that anywhere yet and I have come across a
On 21 Sep 2010, at 06:03, Shiv Kumar wrote:
Can you give me a good reason/case for not having a simple method (with no
side effects) to make a poster visible/invisible?
Just a reminder, we need solid reasons to *add* a feature, not solid reasons
*not to add* a feature.
Silvia,
I don't believe you've given is a good reason and use case for not having a
single method the allows turning on and off the poster without any side
effects.
I haven't seen a case yet that speaks for having this feature, but I can
already come up with two good reasons for not having
Bejamin,
I believe I have provided reasons. It seem in principle people agree. What's
we're stuck on is how to go about it.
I don't believe providing an indirect method that has a side effect of
turning on a poster is the right way to go about it while still leaving the
poster as a stepchild of
Benjamin,
To add to my earlier reply...
I proposed that there be a method such as setPostervisibility(bool) to
implement this feature while Silvia is proposing this feature be implemented
via the load() method.
So it then makes sense that she give good reason for and against, just as I
have.
Shiv -
Why is simply removing the poster attribute unacceptable?
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Shiv Kumar
On 21 Sep 2010, at 15:45, Shiv Kumar wrote:
I proposed that there be a method such as setPostervisibility(bool) to
implement this feature while Silvia is proposing this feature be implemented
via the load() method.
So it then makes sense that she give good reason for and against, just as I
, September 21, 2010 1:21 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis; Silvia Pfeiffer; WHATWG
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
Shiv -
Why is simply removing the poster attribute unacceptable?
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Zachary Ozer
Developer, LongTail Video
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Benjamin,
Ok, I see your point. So yes, I'm asking for a better implementation of an
existing feature.
So far I've made two proposals as regards the video element's poster.
1. The poster should stay visible until the video is played, rather than
disappear as soon as the first frame is loaded.
On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Shiv Kumar wrote:
1. The poster should stay visible until the video is played, rather than
disappear as soon as the first frame is loaded. In addition, the poster
should not show during buffering or any operation during video playback or
switching video
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Zachary,
Why is simply removing the poster attribute unacceptable?
Gosh, that's pretty radical isn't it? I've thought about it and if the poster
is not usable then yes, I'd rather not have it at all and resort to the
, 2010 3:15 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer; WHATWG; Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Zachary,
Why is simply removing the poster attribute unacceptable?
Gosh, that's
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer; WHATWG; Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Zachary,
Why is simply removing the poster attribute unacceptable?
Gosh, that's pretty radical isn't
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.comwrote:
Silvia,
I don’t believe you’ve given is a good reason and use case for not having a
single method the allows turning on and off the poster without any side
effects.
I haven't seen a case yet that speaks for
I've also stated that I believe that the poster should indeed be displayed
when the video element is just loaded and not on autoplay. And I have agreed
that there should be a possibility to have that state return after the
video has played through
Yes, you have and so we're (thankfully) on the
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.comwrote:
I've also stated that I believe that the poster should indeed be
displayed when the video element is just loaded and not on autoplay. And I
have agreed that there should be a possibility to have that state return
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:15 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis; Silvia Pfeiffer; WHATWG
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Shiv Kumar sku
Thus, it covers both use cases.
I'd say it covers two use cases. Both implies that's all the use cases
there are and I've cited 3 that I know of.
So if they want to reset the player they'll have to live with the poster
showing when the video ends?
What I suggested was to use a call to the
On 22/09/2010 4:26 p.m., Shiv Kumar wrote:
What I suggested was to use a call to the load()
So in your mind calling load() implies showing the poster?
I think we should change to this. Then every call to load() would have
the same effect.
We should also tighten up the language so that
On 2010-09-20 05:09, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com
mailto:sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
I'm glad to see that people do see the need to change (or specify
in more detail) the behavior of the poster at least insofar as it
On 2010-09-20 05:27, Chris Pearce wrote:
Right, so you want to be able to toggle the poster back on (when the
media is paused or ended) but after playback has started.
I wonder if these are separate use cases, e.g. whether users would
want to display a different image from the poster image
On 20 September 2010 16:17, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote:
On 2010-09-20 05:27, Chris Pearce wrote:
Right, so you want to be able to toggle the poster back on (when the media
is paused or ended) but after playback has started.
I wonder if these are separate use cases, e.g.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Could a call to video.load() reset this state?
Currently is doesn’t affect the poster. But would that be intuitive? I’m
getting the video element to load it’s source and so the poster will show?
Ideally poster
On 20/09/2010 6:11 p.m., Roger Hågensen wrote:
If the user pauses the video during play then a paused poster must
not be shown as the user most likely intends to study the paused frame
of the video
This is a good argument against having a paused-poster.
The question then is whether the
it
by adding more posters J.
Shiv
http://exposureroom.com/ http://exposureroom.com
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[mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Chris Pearce
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:27 AM
To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Chris Pearce ch...@pearce.org.nz wrote:
On 20/09/2010 6:11 p.m., Roger Hågensen wrote:
If the user pauses the video during play then a paused poster must not be
shown as the user most likely intends to study the paused frame of the video
This is a good
On Sep 19, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Not quite: this is an implementation decision that Webkit-based browsers
made. Neither Opera nor Firefox work that way (haven't checked IE yet).
I agree that this implementation of poster frames is practically useless and
it really
I'd like to weight in quickly on this based on feedback from our users
on this (they have a lot).
* Webkit's original implementation (show the first frame once it's
available) is requested by a lot of people. What they don't realize is
that the first frame is black for 99% of videos, so they end
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On Behalf Of Robert O'Callahan
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:11 PM
To: Silvia Pfeiffer
Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org; Chris Pearce
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Of course we wouldn’t want the user to see the poster during the time it
takes to switch so we clear value of the poster before doing this, which is
one of the issues cited in my very first post on this subject.
I
Pearce
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Of course we wouldn’t want the user to see the poster during the time it takes
to switch so we clear value of the poster before doing this, which
They are not designed to be independent. If you want them to be independent,
use a real independent image placed over the video.
Is there a way to do this without also obscuring the controls [making
them inacessible]?
Monty
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.comwrote:
Rob,
I don't see why providing a scriptable API to hide the poster image is
better than just having authors use existing APIs to clear the poster
attribute.
What is the existing API to clear and show the poster?
Montgomery
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:32 PM
To: rob...@ocallahan.org
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org; Shiv Kumar; Chris Pearce
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
They are not designed to be independent. If you want them to be
independent,
use a real
Rob,
Do you have use-cases where calling load() after the video stream ends would
not be a reasonable solution?
As you can imagine, getting an Html 5 video player to work as expected is a
delicate balance, especially when having to deal with nuances between browser
implementations. I
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.comwrote:
Here are some contradictory cases that may serve as use cases to justify
the need to have a spate method:
1. Some websites, don’t bother showing the poster after the video
ends while providing the content
, September 20, 2010 11:46 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: WHATWG
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Here are some contradictory cases that may serve as use cases to justify the
need to have a spate
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On Behalf Of Robert O'Callahan
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:46 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: WHATWG
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Mon
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Rob,
Do you have use-cases where calling load() after the video stream ends
would not be a reasonable solution?
As you can imagine, getting an Html 5 video player to work as expected is
a delicate balance,
On 21/09/2010 2:37 p.m., Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com
mailto:sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
The only thing that remains then is if web developers would like
control over the poster, such as to show the poster after the
Silvia,
How do you supposed the case I mentioned earlier (where when the video is
paused the poster is shown) will work with load()?
With all due respect, I do know how load works.
Shiv
http://exposureroom.com/ http://exposureroom.com
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Chris Pearce ch...@pearce.org.nz wrote:
On 21/09/2010 2:37 p.m., Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.comwrote:
The only thing that remains then is if web developers would like
control over the poster,
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
Silvia,
How do you supposed the case I mentioned earlier (where when the video is
paused the poster is shown) will work with load()?
For the pause state you will have to use the onpause event to make any
changes.
effects) to make a poster visible/invisible?
Shiv
http://exposureroom.com/ http://exposureroom.com
From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiff...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:54 AM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: WHATWG
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
I'd like to see the implementation of the poster attribute change to
something that is more useful. By useful I mean something that wroks without
the need for javascript and works the way most people would expect.
Currently the poster disappears as soon as the first frame has been
downloaded,
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
I’d like to see the implementation of the poster attribute change to
something that is more useful. By useful I mean something that wroks without
the need for javascript and works the way most people would expect.
Ah, interesting, I just wasted most of last night trying to figure out
why I couldn't get poster to do anything sane or useful in Chrome or
Firefox (actually-- FF4 betas change behavior completely and the
poster.. sort of... behaves as expected).
Currently the poster disappears as soon as the
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Monty Montgomery xiphm...@gmail.com wrote:
Firefox 3.x practically never shows the poster.
Firefox 3.5 didn't have poster implemented so it definitely won't show
there. Firefox 3.6 does implement poster and it works for me. If you
look at the following page the
Actually, the browser behavior is all more complicated than this
the preload attribute is influencing it strongly eg, FF4 doesn't
show the poster if 'preload' is not set to 'none' And I was wrong
now that I recheck chrome... it too replaces poster with first frame,
but the poster
[apologies, FF4 is working properly... tracked it down to setting
'video.currentTime=0' kicks off dropping the poster and actively
preloading]
...but not losing sight of the original post, I agree with the
suggestions, and am happy to find FF4 is already following them.
Monty
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Gregor
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 8:50 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: WHATWg
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.com wrote
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer; WHATWg; Shiv Kumar
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
Actually, the browser behavior is all more complicated than this
the preload attribute is influencing it strongly eg, FF4 doesn't
show the poster if 'preload' is not set to 'none' And I
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Shiv Kumar sku...@exposureroom.comwrote:
I'm glad to see that people do see the need to change (or specify in more
detail) the behavior of the poster at least insofar as it disappearing
before the video is played. As far as I know, every major browser (IE 9
On 20/09/2010 12:50 p.m., Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Shiv Kumarsku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
The poster frame should remain visible until the video is played.
I agree with Silvia, this should be required by the spec.
This makes sense, we should spec this so that
To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
On 20/09/2010 12:50 p.m., Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Shiv Kumar mailto:sku...@exposureroom.com
sku...@exposureroom.com wrote:
The poster frame should remain visible until
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On 20/09/2010 12:50 p.m., Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:53 PM
that makes sense?
Shiv
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Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
Right, so you want to be able to toggle the poster back on (when the media is
paused or ended) but after playback has started.
I wonder if these are separate use cases, e.g. whether users would want to
display a different
...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Silvia Pfeiffer
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:19 PM
To: Shiv Kumar
Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org; Chris Pearce
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute
Could a call to video.load() reset this state?
Silvia.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Shiv
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