Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
nice! On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > Updated blog with ODNB (49,419 men, 5,581 women) plot. > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM Jane Darnell wrote: > >> Yes you have a point there, and it is this "systemic interweb gender >> bias" which is interesting. Due to our n

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Magnus Manske
Updated blog with ODNB (49,419 men, 5,581 women) plot. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM Jane Darnell wrote: > Yes you have a point there, and it is this "systemic interweb gender bias" > which is interesting. Due to our need for "reliable sources" to solve > gendergap issues, it would be nice to

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes you have a point there, and it is this "systemic interweb gender bias" which is interesting. Due to our need for "reliable sources" to solve gendergap issues, it would be nice to be able to expose these "interweb" imbalances with graphs like yours for all databases. What does the ODNB look like

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Magnus Manske
Google image search for properly licensed images didn't give me an image of her, neither did Commons. Maybe I just overlooked it, but maybe there is no image of her in the article because there is no free image of her? In that case, it would not be bias of Wikipedia, but again bias of the interwebs

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
Exactly! However, I do think this example woman shows a Wikipedia gender bias towards men in that her husband's article has an image and hers doesn't On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell wrote: > >> Well here you get into a pr

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell wrote: > Well here you get into a problem with data in the databases. Often the > records for men are more fleshed out than for women. > > Here are two records in the RKD for male and female based on a US-based > husband & wife duo never active in the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
Well here you get into a problem with data in the databases. Often the records for men are more fleshed out than for women. Here are two records in the RKD for male and female based on a US-based husband & wife duo never active in the Netherlands, but who were made popular (with articles on 4 or m

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Magnus Manske
Well, a "local bias" would push the total coverage in a certain language, as evidences by high nl.wp coverage for RKD but not for ULAN. But how would that affect the gender bias? No matter how popular RKDartists are on a Wikipedia, unbiased coverage should always put them on the line in my plots. H

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
Magnus, That is very cool! I also noticed the same trend, which indeed does at first glance appear to be a male bias in the language wikis. However, drilling down into the actual data it's really not so bad. What you actually see is a strong bias from the ULAN for artists who have been active in th

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Magnus Manske
agnus Manske >> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities >> >> Sent:Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:59:18 +0000 >> Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our >> progress against external databases >> >> > http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities > > Sent:Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:59:18 + > Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our > progress against external databases > > > http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278 > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread koltzenburg
thanks, how about artists identifying as neither female nor male? cheers, Claudia -- Original Message --- From:Magnus Manske To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities Sent:Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:59:18 + Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Magnus Manske
http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM Jane Darnell wrote: > Hi all, > I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art & Feminism > edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the state of the wikis > regarding female artists I noticed that

[Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

2015-03-24 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi all, I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art & Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the state of the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge local differences per language wiki regarding "who is notable". One of the things I love