With the mood bar, the communication back to the editor was through their user
page and email (when known). Do you have any data to show where they saw it (or
from where they responded to it)? I've long suspected that new users don't know
about User Talk and this frustrates our efforts to commun
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Pine W wrote:
>
>
> If you watch Jonathan Morgan's presentation, you'll see that he says that
> his favorite theory about the decline in active editors after 2007 is the
> rise of the popularity of Facebook.
>
>
It is *in a sense true* that the Facebook Theory is
Hi Pine,
to answer your question on results about improving editor retention, there
is a new paper authored by me and Dario coming out soon about MoodBar, an
early EE experiment whose aim was to elicit feedback from newly registered
editors, that shows that lightweight socialization (e.g. reportin
> My opinion is that the transition from the need to create new
> articles to maintaining the accuracy and quality of existing
> articles has been the primary cause of editor attrition, and my
> studies of Short Popular Vital Articles (WP:SPVA) have supported
> this hypothesis.
My understanding i
han others (I wish there were more people
> interested in Queensland to share the load with).
>
> Kerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart A. Yeates [mailto:syea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 15 September 2014 10:51 AM
> To: Kerry Raymond; Research into Wikim
about Talk and User Talk
> and it's our consequent inability to communicate with them that makes them
> walk away when their edits disappear (without explanation as they will see
> it). I think if you could talk with them, you could probably help them
> achieve what they were trying
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On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Kerry Raymond
wrote:
> I have email notification for
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:
> I have email notification for my watch list
How many items on your watchlist? I appear to accumulated 14,871 items
on mine since I last zero'd it. Right now there are 159 changes in the
last 24 hours.
I'm not sure I could cope with that vo
y assessment" issues.
Kerry
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On 14 September 2014 03:24, James Salsman wrote:
Oliver Keyes wrote
hem
achieve what they were trying to do or nicely explain why it can't be done.
Our insistence on allowing anonymous edit and sign-up without an email
address works against being able to help newcomers.
Kerry
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Oliver Keyes wrote:
>...
> the reason Mobile is going to have an impact is not that it will
> have an impact on the delta, but because there are additional
> factors to juggle when working on solutions to said delta.
Are you saying that the mobile skin will affect editor attrition once
it is able
copic “quality assessment” issues.
>
> Kerry
>
>
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> Meijssen
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On 14 September 2014 13:14, James Salsman wrote:
> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >...
> > Please define "just worked fine"... Really ?? !!
> > Try editing a page that starts with a template..
>
> Are referring to the fact that the mobile skin silently omits many if not
> most templates, and prevents u
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:38 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> Pine wrote:
> >...
> > The data you show in that table indicates that
> > there is a negative correlation between active
> > editors and mobile pageviews
>
> No, it does not. The rate of editor attrition has been constant since
> 2007, w
Hoi,
It is equally absurd to mistake a product under development with a finished
product. When you admit it is difficult for you to use the Vector skin you
implicitly admit that Vector is not usable for someone who does not have
your advanced skills.
The point to the discussion is that we are only
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>...
> Please define "just worked fine"... Really ?? !!
> Try editing a page that starts with a template..
Editing pages with or without templates works under the Vector skin on both
iOS and Android, although scrolling in the textarea can be difficult if you
aren't used to i
Hoi,
Please define "just worked fine"... Really ?? !! Try editing a page that
starts with a template.. there are a few on a mobile ..
Thanks,
GerardM
On 14 September 2014 18:38, James Salsman wrote:
> Pine wrote:
> >...
> > The data you show in that table indicates that
> > there is a negat
Pine wrote:
>...
> The data you show in that table indicates that
> there is a negative correlation between active
> editors and mobile pageviews
No, it does not. The rate of editor attrition has been constant since 2007,
while mobile views have increased from zero to billions. Mobile pageview
On 14 September 2014 03:24, James Salsman wrote:
> Oliver Keyes wrote:
> > ...
> > Mobile now makes up 30% of our page views and its
> > users display divergent behavioural patterns; you
> > don't think a group that makes up 30% of pageviews
> > is a user group that is a 'big deal' for engagement
Hoi,
The numbers quoted are interesting but hardly relevant in this context.They
show how total editor activity is going down. We know that editors are
mainly editing from computers and Oliver states that 30% of our page views
is from mobiles. CONSEQUENTLY, all efforts intending to enable mobile
ed
My personal hypothesis is that much wikipedia incivility is part of
the broader internet-troll phenomenon (google "Don't Read The
Comments" if you're unfamiliar with the effects of trolling). I'd be
very interested to see a linguistic comparison between classes of
edits/comments tagged as 'bad' acr
Hi James,
The data you show in that table indicates that there is a negative
correlation between active editors and mobile pageviews. Correlation does
not imply causation, but I for one find it difficult to edit text using a
phone and I would guess that the same is true for other potential or form
Oliver Keyes wrote:
> ...
> Mobile now makes up 30% of our page views and its
> users display divergent behavioural patterns; you
> don't think a group that makes up 30% of pageviews
> is a user group that is a 'big deal' for engagement?
For the English Wikipedia:
>100Mi
On 13 September 2014 20:52, James Salsman wrote:
> Pine wrote:
> >
> > I agree that the shift to mobile is a big deal;
>
> I do not agree: Active editor attrition began on its present trend in
> 2007, far before any mobile use was significant.
>
>
I'm not seeing how that means it's not a big deal
Pine wrote:
>
> I agree that the shift to mobile is a big deal;
I do not agree: Active editor attrition began on its present trend in
2007, far before any mobile use was significant.
> I remain concerned that tech-centric approaches
> to editor engagement like VE and Flow, while
> perhaps having
t” issues.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Meijssen
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> *To:* Resear
ptember 2014 3:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] What works for increasing editor engagement?
Hoi,
The problem with this approach is that as it is, the functionality for
editing on tablets and phones is not well developed at all. As a conseque
Hoi,
The problem with this approach is that as it is, the functionality for
editing on tablets and phones is not well developed at all. As a
consequence the results will not be that meaningful.
It is only recently that it became possible to edit. So realistically there
are several important factor
It would be very interesting to know the size of edits done on mobile vs
desktop (it would be even better if we could distinguish between phones and
tablets because of the different form factors. I appreciate that we have the
problem of definition as a person on a phone can use the desktop inter
Hoi,
The point of research is that it provides us with understanding that
indicates one way or the other the problems we face and, how we are
trending towards success or failure.
Thanks to numbers we know the extend of the growth of our mobile readers
and editors. The trend is uncontroversial; it
And I would comment that I don't see why the foundation should respect the
autonomy and social processes of any group that's effectively working against
the foundation's objectives through the group's norms. I would be inclined to
say "our platform, our rules" in that case.
I find it fascinati
Can we see data on the number of new editors and the number of editors dropping
out (by some definition of sustained inactivity) to see if the problem is
initial recruitment or dropping-out? And in terms of number of edits when do we
see inactivity set in? My suspicion is that we are getting ple
Hello research colleagues,
When I look at the WMF Report Card, it appears to me that the global active
editor stats and the number of new accounts being registered per month has
been relatively flat since at least 2011.
Those of you who work in EE research and analytics, I would like to ask if
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