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I hate to say this but I recommend that this be rejected and closed as WONTFIX.
The CAPTCHA was intended to be a temporary measure that became all-too
permanent; there exist better tools for addressing f
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--- Comment #71 from jbribe...@itaubba.com.br ---
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> I hate to say this but I recommend that this be rejected and closed as
> WONTFIX.
I'm sad because we tried our best and so far, NOTHING happened. Most of our
most acti
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--- Comment #73 from MZMcBride ---
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> The Gerrit change #69982 is ready to be merged [...]
Gerrit changeset 69982 is currently marked as a work in progress ("[WIP]" in
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--- Comment #74 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #71)
> [...] not a *single
> alternative measure* has been implemented so far - or, should I note, perhaps
> we have now lots of inactive rollbackers recently promoted). [...]
Just to mention
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--- Comment #75 from Erik Moeller ---
Dear Portuguese Wikipedia community.
We've carefully reviewed the requested operations change to reinstate the
emergency CAPTCHA on the Portuguese Wikipedia that forces all non-autoconfirmed
users to compl
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--- Comment #77 from Helder ---
It will be a pitty not to have any way to know how many users will give up of
their edits after they are asked to solve the CAPTCHA during this new emergency
period... :-(
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> It will be a pity not to have any way to know how many users will give up of
> their edits after they are asked to solve the CAPTCHA during this new
> emergency period... :-(
From
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--- Comment #79 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #77)
> It will be a pitty not to have any way to know how many users will give up of
> their edits after they are asked to solve the CAPTCHA during this new
> emergency
> period... :-(
Well, w
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--- Comment #80 from goethe.w...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #79)
> Well, we sort of know already from the stats of these months, though July is
> still missing: it is about 30-50 thousands productive (not reverted) edits
> per
> month, s
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--- Comment #81 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #80)
> Right now, we don't know if those edits are not reverted because they are
> productive or if the community is overwhelmed, so I wouldn't make that
> conclusion just yet.
As far as I rem
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Change 69982 merged by Tim Starling:
Enable CAPTCHA for all edits of non-confirmed users on pt.wikipedia in order to
reduce editing activity
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--- Comment #23 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #22)
> [...] The users who combat vandalism were working harder to avoid the
> vandalism, thinking that its is a phase, that CAPTCHA will be re-enabled
> soon. [...]
This is because you only
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--- Comment #24 from goethe.w...@gmail.com ---
I am the last person to want to see the CAPTCHA reinstated on pt.wikipedia, but
I think we should have a clear answer on whether the proposed change is
possible to implement or not. By possible, I m
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--- Comment #25 from Alchimista ---
I strongly agree with Goethe's statement. The community decided to reinstate
the captcha, we can discuss if it was the best decision or not, but the fact is
that there is a clear community decision. I've vote
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--- Comment #26 from Helder ---
(In reply to comment #20)
> Copying Erik and Howie F. on this. I seem to remember the PageTriage
> extension
> coming about as the result of some vote or discussion on the English
> Wikipedia.
> It was a compromi
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--- Comment #27 from jbribe...@itaubba.com.br ---
(In reply to comment #21)
> (In reply to comment #0)
> > Portuguese Wikipedia already used CAPTCHA that way for five years. It was
> > removed in April (see bug 41745) as it was said a community
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--- Comment #28 from Helder ---
(In reply to comment #21)
> There are a number of developers actively watching this bug report. :-)
Would any of them be interested in improving gerrit Change-Id:
I5ad1f8d51368645870da3fde79ea7d1b8e41e7a5 for so
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--- Comment #29 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski ---
(In reply to comment #27)
> I'm trying to ascertain if there is anyone in our community who knows how to
> implement those suggestions. Aparently, "easily" means something different
> down
> here...
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--- Comment #30 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #28)
> (In reply to comment #21)
> > There are a number of developers actively watching this bug report. :-)
>
> Would any of them be interested in improving gerrit Change-Id:
> I5ad1f8d513686
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--- Comment #31 from Helder ---
Here is some data on the current usage of the AbuseFilter on ptwiki[1]. There
are:
* 82 filters enabled:
** 8 private filters
** 46 filters tagging edits
** 34 filters warning users
** 19 filters disallowing the
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--- Comment #33 from goethe.w...@gmail.com ---
Platonides, I agree and I mentioned that in the discussion and is one of the
reasons I voted against the reinstatement of the CAPTCHA. I am not saying that
this should be implemented, only that a cl
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(In reply to comment #30)
> (In reply to comment #28)
> > (In reply to comment #21)
> > > There are a number of developers actively watching this bug report. :-)
> >
> > Would any of them be int
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--- Comment #36 from Gerrit Notification Bot ---
Related URL: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69982 (Gerrit Change
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--- Comment #37 from Platonides ---
Stegop,
1) Nobody called you morons (or at least nobody intended to do so).
2) I just mentioned about reenabling it for a few months a few comments before.
3) No, if you don't know about X you're not dumb, th
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--- Comment #38 from Helder ---
(In reply to comment #37)
...
> Not having a patrol project? Not enough reviewers? Lots of people writing
> "learn English"? Lack of bots? Should we propose “huggle lessons for pt”?
There is some discussion on t
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--- Comment #39 from jbribe...@itaubba.com.br ---
(In reply to comment #37)
> Stegop,
> 1) Nobody called you morons (or at least nobody intended to do so).
> 2) I just mentioned about reenabling it for a few months a few comments
> before.
> 3)
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(In reply to comment #38)
> (In reply to comment #37)
> ...
> > Not having a patrol project? Not enough reviewers? Lots of people writing
> > "learn English"? Lack of bots? Should we propose “hug
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--- Comment #41 from Stegop ---
Thank you for your reply, Platonides.
Maybe your intention wasn't calling us morons, but it was exactly what was done
when Nemo writes what he did 2013-06-20 12:19:00 about a poll with dozens with
more than doub
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> [...] writing in Italian (like it was a common language
> anywhere out of Italy), [...]
Unlike bugzilla, wiki talk pages don't have English as de facto only language,
so people u
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--- Comment #44 from Nemo ---
"she
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--- Comment #45 from Andre Klapper ---
Nemo: Keyword description of "shellpolicy" says "Consensus is needed from
someone who is familiar with community standards."
Who would you propose specifically, if not the affected community?
If consensu
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Oh, and to be clear: There are absolutely no technical issues with this, it was
working fine for over 5 years until you got involved. Even if there were it
wouldn't be shellpolicy.
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--- Comment #48 from Bartosz Dziewoński ---
As much as I disagree with reenabling the CAPTCHA, Alex and Andre are right
here; this is a very very bad solution, but it seems to be a solution indeed.
And now for trying to do something else – I'm
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--- Comment #50 from Teles ---
Since the beginning, it was made clear in discussions that this change is
thought to be temporary. Even those that live in the "stone age" - as kindly
mentioned above - know that this is not the best solution and
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--- Comment #51 from MZMcBride ---
(In reply to comment #45)
>> but also general consensus and policy and technical reasons
>
> I'd like to see proof that this is a common interpretation of "other
> considerations" on
> https://meta.wikimedia.
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--- Comment #52 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #51)
> The real question is whether any shell user is willing to merge and deploy
> the
> proposed change.
Well, and also whether if it won't be reverted by another shell user. :)
Considering
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--- Comment #53 from Alchimista ---
With all due respect, but if this was such a clear and evident conflict with
wikimedia principles or even with the strategic plans, why wasn't that fact
brought up to light several months ago? The previous bu
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--- Comment #55 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #53)
> Finally, what would fit more the WMF Strategic Plan: go against a clear and
> overwhelming community decision, causing the entropy and distrust that
> everyone
> can see in the wiki disc
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--- Comment #56 from MZMcBride ---
Alchimista: What do you think about the idea of setting a fixed expiry for this
setting (hard or soft)? A soft expiry would be an accompanying code comment
saying "please remove this setting after 2014-06-25".
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--- Comment #57 from Alchimista ---
(In reply to comment #56)
> Alchimista: What do you think about the idea of setting a fixed expiry for
> this
> setting (hard or soft)? A soft expiry would be an accompanying code comment
> saying "please rem
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--- Comment #58 from jbribe...@itaubba.com.br ---
(In reply to comment #57)
> (In reply to comment #56)
> > Alchimista: What do you think about the idea of setting a fixed expiry for
> > this
I can agree to that too and I think we'll find no pr
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--- Comment #59 from MZMcBride ---
Thank you both for the feedback. It's been very helpful.
Alex M. (Krenair) is working on this at Gerrit changeset 69982. The change is
nearly ready to be implemented, we just need to figure out whether to imp
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--- Comment #60 from Nemo ---
We'll have the new revert stats for June shortly after the month ends and
discussions are still active on pt.wiki, so it doesn't make much sense to make
hasty moves now.
As for the time needed, discussions on the
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--- Comment #61 from Teles ---
There is no active discussion on pt.wiki about CAPTCHA. Community already made
it's decision.
Active discussions refers to other ways of dealing with vandalism, which will
also be necessary on CAPTCHA removal, bu
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--- Comment #62 from Nemo ---
That's what I said. How do you know they won't be enough? I don't see that in
the discussions.
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--- Comment #63 from Teles ---
There is no "they" yet; only ideas, nothing really solid and still unlikely to
be implemented in the next two months. What should we do in this meanwhile?
Pretend that we are doing ok with vandalism?
I don't know
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--- Comment #64 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #63)
> it should be said that they 'are' enough for we start
> thinking on it.
This perfectly shows why pt.wiki had a CAPTCHA, now proven useless and
counter-productive, for 5 years: *of cours
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--- Comment #65 from Teles ---
(In reply to comment #64)
> (In reply to comment #63)
> > it should be said that they 'are' enough for we start
> > thinking on it.
>
> This perfectly shows why pt.wiki had a CAPTCHA, now proven useless and
> cou
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--- Comment #66 from jbribe...@itaubba.com.br ---
(In reply to comment #64)
> (In reply to comment #63)
> > it should be said that they 'are' enough for we start
> > thinking on it.
>
> This perfectly shows why pt.wiki had a CAPTCHA, now proven
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--- Comment #67 from Nemo ---
Once again you two make use of personal attacks against anyone disagreeing with
you. :) (As was previously done with half a dozen of pt.wiki users, see bug
41745 comment 39.)
I've never said what comment 65 claims
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--- Comment #68 from Teles ---
I am sure you can show me where my comment has personal attacks. I say you have
made false statements, because you did. You should be more careful with what
you say. You said I didn't do something I do a lot.
(In
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--- Comment #69 from Andre Klapper ---
In general: Could we please move "Show me your personal attacks" questions and
discussions outside of this bug report, e.g. into private emails? I'm
interested in receiving bugmail about this ticket, not a
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--- Comment #83 from Nemo ---
(In reply to comment #75)
> However, we will permanently disable the emergency CAPTCHA mode by
> December 31, 2013, if no decision to disable it sooner is reached by the
> community.
Hello Tim, the deadline is app
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(In reply to comment #84)
> (In reply to comment #83)
> > Hello Tim, the deadline is approaching: are you the one in charge of doing
> > this, or someone else?
>
> Hi Nemo,
>
> Thanks for the p
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--- Comment #86 from Greg Grossmeier ---
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> Reedy will deploy the config change on Dec 31st (given it
> is New Year's Eve, I can't promise a specific time). See:
> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of
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--- Comment #87 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski ---
CAPTCHA is now gone. Let's celebrate!
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