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--- Comment #50 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com ---
No, I won't sit down, shut up and enjoy the ride.
Really, most other places require consensus and consultation for change. I
believe that Erik himself said that in edits relating to
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--- Comment #52 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com ---
My complaint has never been about any checkbox, but the removal of
Preferences.
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--- Comment #53 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to billinghurst from comment #52)
My complaint has never been about any checkbox, but the removal of
Preferences.
Are you able to offer another tab of Special:Preferences and
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--- Comment #55 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to Isarra from comment #27)
May also want a separate page of 'all settings' or 'advanced settings' for a
lot of them (it could also appear collapsed or something by default - the
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--- Comment #37 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to MZMcBride from comment #35)
(In reply to Amgine from comment #21)
Sucks as UX. Do we really want every special page to be creating and
maintaining its own interface
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--- Comment #38 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to billinghurst from comment #37)
my
issue is that Preferences = Preferences
Too bad this assumption is incorrect. We have plenty of preferences which have
never been controlled
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(In reply to Amgine from comment #36)
This sounds so much like a solution looking for a problem.
It was 50/50 that you were going to say that. The other option was if it ain't
broke
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--- Comment #41 from Scott Martin sc...@urbigenous.net ---
(In reply to Quiddity from comment #40)
I'm surprised that we don't already have a link to
[[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-searchoptions]] anywhere at
[[Special:Search]]
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--- Comment #42 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Quiddity from bug 52817 comment #40)
Searching for help documentation is HELL unless we add the Wikipedia: ,
Help: , and Template: namespaces to our default search. For the
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--- Comment #43 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to billinghurst from comment #37)
Nobody has argued about sensible defaults, nor the ability for communities
to be able to adjust and modify. I don't see how that introduction is
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--- Comment #44 from Amgine amgine.sae...@gmail.com ---
It was 50/50 that you were going to say that. The other option was if it
ain't broke don't fix it. Both are useless clichés.
Mmm, actually the third option was change for the sake of
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--- Comment #45 from Amgine amgine.sae...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to MZMcBride from comment #43)
My gut feeling is that the real, underlying issue here is that you, me, and
others want global (wikifarm-wide) user preferences.
Speaking only
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--- Comment #22 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to billinghurst from comment #20)
It is disappointing that a cabal effect has
taken place to what is a significant change to how things are done around
here.
I'm sorry you see
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--- Comment #23 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com ---
Clutter is removing unnecessary items, redundant items, messy items; clutter is
not (re)moving a useful and considered page. So since when is a preference page
like Search preference
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I don't understand how clicking into Special:Preferences and then a subpage to
set options for Special:SomePage is substantially less complicated than going
to Special:SomePage and
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I guess there are two things here.
1: Users will primarily care about preferences affecting a specific page when
on that specific page. They will be able to most effectively see the effects
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--- Comment #26 from Amgine amgine.sae...@gmail.com ---
@Isarra
So you are saying both-and, not eliminate one? This would probably result
in duplication of code and maintenance (which is one of my arguments against
moving the preferences in
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The suggested model is not as simple as Scott Martin describes it.
Actually, it is. To get to Special:Search you click the magnifying glass icon
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(In reply to Isarra from comment #27)
Ideally we'd have some way to automatically dump settings that appear in the
interface elsewhere into main preferences just by telling it 'OY LOOK A
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(In reply to Nemo from comment #29)
(In reply to Isarra from comment #27)
Ideally we'd have some way to automatically dump settings that appear in the
interface elsewhere into main
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(In reply to Scott Martin from comment #28)
To get to Special:Search you click the magnifying glass
icon in the search box.
Or search for nothing. Sorry for two posts in rapid
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--- Comment #32 from Amgine amgine.sae...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Scott Martin from comment #31)
(In reply to Scott Martin from comment #28)
To get to Special:Search you click the magnifying glass
icon in the search box.
Or search
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--- Comment #33 from Scott Martin sc...@urbigenous.net ---
How well those features work is a valid question but it's out of scope for this
discussion.
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--- Comment #34 from Amgine amgine.sae...@gmail.com ---
Ah, but then how simple it is to alter the settings is also out of scope.
My opinion is the people most familiar with the software are those most likely
to wish to modify their search
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(In reply to Amgine from comment #21)
Sucks as UX. Do we really want every special page to be creating and
maintaining its own interface for user preferences?
We want sensible defaults
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--- Comment #36 from Amgine amgine.sae...@gmail.com ---
Would those 'few users' happen to be the experienced wikimedians (like those
who have piped up here)? the ones who know (well, knew) where to modify their
user preferences?
This sounds so
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Also why to do a small change on specific WMF wiki's config it's community must
hold 1 weeks discussion but a change concerning to all MediaWiki wikis it being
done with no discussion at all?
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--- Comment #17 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Bohdan from comment #15)
Why on Earth I must run through lots of pages to set personal configuration
Lots? As far as I know Special:Preferences contains options for about 3
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Also why to do a small change on specific WMF wiki's config it's community
must hold 1 weeks discussion but a change concerning to all
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Change 131727 merged by jenkins-bot:
Save advanced search namespace prefs on Special:Search itself
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131727
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Well, exact colouring is debatable, however we still have to consider
colour-blind and blind users. Thus I believe that colour-highlighting is not a
good idea.
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Current appearance of the feature
Screenshot of the feature as currently coded. It's just one
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The behaviour is similar to what happens with the login checkbox, I can't
imagine it being so confusing. Only few users very used to the wiki will set
their preferred namespaces before their
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Change 131727 had a related patch set uploaded by Nemo bis:
[WIP] Save advanced search namespace prefs on Special:Search itself
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--- Comment #5 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
[[mw:Manual:Preferences]] and [[mw:Manual:Hooks/GetPreferences]] are not
particularly helpful. To hide preferences from Special:Preferences, should they
be made of hidden type? Added to
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You'll want to use 'type' = 'api' (which is, admittedly, somewhat misleadingly
named). One core preference using this is 'watchlisttoken'.
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