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> By 1174, Hán tự/Hanzi had become the official writing script of the
Vietnamese courts, mainly used by administration and literati, and continued to
serve this role until the mid-19th century.
As said previously, The Hán tự/Hanzi was still used during Fre
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I don't understand what is blocking either.
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It is in standard [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Category:ISO_15924:Hani ISO
15924], and it was still used officially until the mid of the 20th century. It
is still used at least by scholars and some people that like to continue to use
it in Vietnam.
- [[:File
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Is vi-x-Q8201 a standard? If it's not, why for create a new name please? They
are one variant of Hani characters (called Hán tự (漢字) in vietnamese) chữ Nôm
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Generally, in en.wiktionary, article in the Category:Sino-Vietnamese_word
have their vi-Hani version.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Sino-Vietnamese_words
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On the vietnamese wikipedia:
https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chữ_Hán
- 名 “danh”
- 書 “thư”
- 文 “văn”
- 字 “tự”
- 漢字 “Hán tự”.
Or more specialized article: https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chữ_Nôm
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The Wiktionary as a lot of samples in vi-Hani.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/留#Vietnamese
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Do you know at least how to use mvf now, because I still can't use it a
standard way and still need to put an unsupported language tag?
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cmg is often similar to mvf, but not sure it is always the case, as mvf is
still a living language, cmg a medieval one.
I don't know what is missing, in wich system parti, but it can't be added in
values for now.
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I corrected also the name in cyrillic mongolism, this is not the Mongolian
meta language (only mn meta-language is supported for now)
, but only the Khalkha variant. The 3 languages are unsupported.
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And at the same time, both cmg and mvf are missing, i fight for 5 years for
having at least one them now. but it looks more and more like there is interest
to avoid theme? Still don't understand why?
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OK, I removed mvf, that could be used to day as khalkha, but the text is in
medieval mongolian, and replaced multi by miss
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Mult is multilanguage: the other one is mongolian of china that is compatible
for this term, but this is a modern mongolian, and this is a name from 12th
century...
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If I follow the ref, I added mul + 2*P407
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P407> with cmg (Midle mongolian) and mvf
(Mongolian of China).
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If it's for a field in wikidata, here is:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q720
Chingis Khaan, with his native name in Mongolian from his time (ᠴᠢᠩᠭᠢᠰ ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ
Činggis qaγan) and in today khalkha from independent Mongolia (Чингис хаан), in
Cyrillic.
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So I give the most basic example, I can add several case mn is wrongly used
(but was the only not to far available option) to have the original name wrote
in wikidata, for people of 13~15th century. The oldest know in this script is
there: https://altaica.ru
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Which kind of sample do you want.
As an exemplle, from :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_bitchig
{{lang|cmg-Mon|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ}} this is the name of the Mongolian script in
classical and modern Mongolian.
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I first created this because Mongolian in mongolian script was rejected in
all it's codes, but it could be usefut to referring to this code for name of
medieval Mongolian people, as the notion of mvf didn't exists at this time,
this could avoid anachroni
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I believe there is not so much difference. If I remember of everything after
few years of try, some argued that any of them can't be used in Wikimedia
because they are meta-languages, not languages,, because mvf, based on
Chakhar/Chahar, and there are
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I opened T215032 to ensure that cmg will not fall in void, as this one.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Badaa, ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, Lydia_Pintscher
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And then the list also have Kalmyk and Qaracin, however they don't even have their own ISO 639 language code from what I know
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Just a little tip, on firefox, go to about:config, then search for the browser.urlbar.decodeURLsOnCopy option and change it from false to true, this is essential for non pure-english characters (aka any accent or other char from any other language using latin script or
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I agree with you on the point that Phags'pa is only a writing of the Yuan dynasty, the official language is at this time Khalkh or it's classical Mongolian version.
The scripts are generally the same in Mongolian central dialects (if we don't think about f
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So 2 years and 3 month later we are still at the same point ? Is it so hard to add several ISO639-3 mongolian codes for traditionnal mongolian script ?
The more imortant indiviual languages to add (to avoid conflict of macrolanguage as this is the main reason of the
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This is why for we need both cmg (where default is Mong), khk-Mong (where default today is Cyrl) and mvf (where default is Mong). If language can vary on cmg, there are some texts that are classified as cmg and is used (and needed as source) in Wikipedia.TASK DETAILhttps
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Mong is for uiyghur-mongolian script. Classical mongolian, use this script, not soyombo or Phags-pa. Phags-pa was only used about 1 century. -Mong is probably not needed for this.
Cyrillic is only used for buryat (in Republic of Buryatia), kalmyk (in Republic of Kalmykia
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Could you also add cmg (classical mongolian), that is classed as individual) by default it uses Mong script. and khk-Mong ?
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So could you add mvf-Mong instead of mn-Mong please ?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper
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After ethnologue, eng, is only for England English and some variants around the world, not US/canadian english, but still U.S. Virgin Islands and Jamaica in America.
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/eng
So what is the code for US English, that so much people view as
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eng.wikipedia.org is for english, not for mongolian...
In the case of zh, this should be cmn (chinese mandarin, not zh). zh (that can means zhongwen, zhonghua, etc...) include all chineses languages, As in mongolian, there are several meaning, (languages of china (which
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mn is used as language for standard mongolian in wikipedia (mn.wikipedia.org, tag in wikidata, so if it's not valide, this should be removed.
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/mvf for ethnologue, mvf, is only a geographical distinction, mvf is for china, m
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About several writings for a language, in chinese, there is zh-Hani (hanzi in general), zh-Hant (traditionnal hanzi), zh-Hans (simplified hanzi) and the same thing for Gan Chinese (gan-Hant & gan-Hant).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810E
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mn doesn't referer to mongolian as a macrolanguage but as a language, khalkha is the recognized standard dialect of the mongolian language. other mongolian languages are buriat (bua) or oirat (xal).
As said before monglian term is both used in mongolian and chinese
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In my opinon, as a very beginner in mongolian language, every written words I seen in dictionaries (old one like Lessig or current one), seems to match with mvf one I seen on fr.wiktionary, wrote by a french in inner-Mongolia. (China), I learned with the pronunciation of
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In language code, first part is language, second part is script (Mong|Han|Latn|Arab...) and the third the country, here CN (China), MN (Mongolia) The traditional Mongolian script is mainly used in Inner-Mongolia (China), but is since few year recognized again as
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I don't really understand what to do, perhaps what I said was missunderstood. I only want to said than I filled some wikidata items as turk (tr) instead of otk (old turk) as this didn't exists.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137809EMAIL PREFER
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There is already vertical script on at least fr/zh/en pages. That's well supported by most browser today.
But even without vertical script that could be better, at least the format mn-Mong should be given to the browser, so it understand that's Mongolian, and
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This is blocking bug, mn (mongol) != mnc manchu, a toungouse language, not a mongolian one, but near rules or writting and same script familly, so this allow to display nicely text, but information is erroneous. We have a lot of mnc entries name on wikipedia (fr/en/zh
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Please, this one is blocking, and put turk instead of otk, is an erroneous information :(.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137809EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM
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Popolon created this task.Popolon added a project: Wikidata.Herald added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper.TASK DESCRIPTIONPlease add the language code mn-Mong to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.
Usage example: {{lang|mn-Mong|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ}} (idealy with {{MongolUnicode
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Popolon created this task.Popolon added a project: Wikidata.Herald added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper.TASK DESCRIPTIONPlease add the language code otk to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.
Usage example: {{lang|otk|𐰉𐰆𐰢𐰣 𐰴𐰍𐰣}}
This is for [[:en:Old Turkic
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Popolon created blocking task T137808: Add monolingual language code mnc.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124286EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Liuxinyu970226, Ricordisamoa, adrianheine, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno
Popolon created this task.Popolon added a project: Wikidata.Herald added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper.TASK DESCRIPTIONPlease add the language code mnc to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.
Usage example: {{lang|mnc|ᡥᠠᡵᠪᡳᠨ}}.
This is for [[:en:Manchu language
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