Other possibilities (not necessarily all together):
- new datatype label, with the value to be indexed as an alias
- use qualifiers on label statements to add lexical data or to link with
declination tables
- consider labels internally as independent items, but don't display them
as such
On Thu,
Hello,
Concerning the use of owl:sameAs
http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#IndividualIdentity, it is used in
dbpedia to link for instance http://dbpedia.org/page/Joseph_Hocking to
its equivalent in Freebase, WikiData and Yago. If we refer to your
remark, Markus, this is not an example to follow ?
David,
I am not familiar with Wiktionary and its datamodel. But your summary
looks like SKOS [1] would be a good fit. Also for your proposal to
extend the Wikidata datamodel. In short, SKOS distinguishes between
concepts (they carry the semantics ~ Q item) and labels (they are, well,
just
Am 06.06.2014 14:39, schrieb Michael Erdmann:
David,
I am not familiar with Wiktionary and its datamodel. But your summary looks
like
SKOS [1] would be a good fit.
SKOS is a good fit for Wikidata data items. For modeling Wiktionary, LEMON fits
a lot better http://lemon-model.net/.
If you
Hoi,
For me referring to SKOS or whatever feels like an elaborate hoax laying
the blame elsewhere. Labels are what items are knows by. They exist to
identify. They exist in many languages and as we identify items by labels
in many languages there has to be a way to deal with the differences
Am 06.06.2014 15:16, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
For me referring to SKOS or whatever feels like an elaborate hoax laying the
blame elsewhere. Labels are what items are knows by. They exist to identify.
SKOS is just a standard vocubulary to express the relationship or simple
labels have with
Hoi,
Does SKOS deal with multiple languages and the need to ensure trust all
these labels mean the same?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 June 2014 15:21, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Am 06.06.2014 15:16, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
For me referring to SKOS or whatever
Am 06.06.2014 15:24, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
Does SKOS deal with multiple languages and the need to ensure trust all these
labels mean the same?
Yes. http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/
Well, it *requires* that the labels in all the languages mean the same. How you
ensure that is up to
Hoi,
That is so obviously plain wrong when you want to apply SKOS to Wikidata.
When SKOS has this requirement it is useless in the Wikidata context.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 June 2014 15:30, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Am 06.06.2014 15:24, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
Am 06.06.2014 15:33, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
That is so obviously plain wrong when you want to apply SKOS to Wikidata. When
SKOS has this requirement it is useless in the Wikidata context.
Oh? Any why would that be?
We have stuff like
de:Fuh --(means)-- Q12345
eb:Foo --(means)-- Q12345
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
wrote:
SKOS is a good fit for Wikidata data items. For modeling Wiktionary, LEMON
fits
a lot better http://lemon-model.net/.
Could you please elaborate on how to share the label between q items and
the future lexical
Hoi,
That is exactly the point. Once you assume that they are the same you
ignore the extend to which they are not. Many, many items have articles
pointing to items resulting in labels that are not exactly the same subject.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 June 2014 15:38, Daniel Kinzler
Am 06.06.2014 15:44, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
That is exactly the point. Once you assume that they are the same you ignore
the
extend to which they are not. Many, many items have articles pointing to items
resulting in labels that are not exactly the same subject.
And these are
Am 06.06.2014 15:42, schrieb David Cuenca:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
mailto:daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote:
SKOS is a good fit for Wikidata data items. For modeling Wiktionary,
LEMON fits
a lot better http://lemon-model.net/.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
wrote:
The software shouldn't know about special properties. A bot could know
about
them, and automatically add aliases.
Labels and aliases are acting as special properties, just that we cannot
decide which property
Remember that we are also recording the wikipedia article names in multiple
languages, which may or may not be the same as the label in those languages
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:32 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:42 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you please elaborate on how to share the label between q items and the
future lexical items? It is not very clear to me what you have in mind.
It's really too early to make all these decisions. We're still at
least a
Hi everyone!
In the sources of Wikibase I see Ask library from which I conclude
that we will have awesome SMW-like queries. Am I right? What is the
status of query features and how will the queries look like when they
are ready?
-
Yury Katkov
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Hoi,
In a different conversation it was put like this: Wikipedia is what it is
and Wikidata is what it is. This was in the context of assumptions.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 June 2014 16:59, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Am 06.06.2014 15:44, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
There's another road to ontology of labels which is connected with the
kind of roles that labels play in systems.
One need is that a system wants to mention something or draw something
and otherwise refer to something and it needs to know what to call it.
Another need is that you have a phrase
Hoi,
Exactly.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 June 2014 20:57, Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com wrote:
There's another road to ontology of labels which is connected with the
kind of roles that labels play in systems.
One need is that a system wants to mention something or draw something
and
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Lydia Pintscher
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
It's really too early to make all these decisions. We're still at
least a year away from any significant progress towards Wiktionary
unless anything changes. Until then we will have learned a lot more
and a
Hey Yury,
We are indeed planning to use the Ask query language for Wikidata.
People will be able to define queries on dedicated query pages that contain
a query entity. These query entities will represent things such as The
cities with highest population in Europe. People will then be able to
Well they can ask.
As there is no real definition of what is a city and what the limits of
each city are I'm not sure they will get a useful answer. The population of
the City of London (Q23311), for instance, is only 7,375! Should we
change it from 'instance of:city' to 'instance
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