Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread David Cuenca
Gerard, Normally users don't want information about human settlements, but about municipalities, which may contain several human settlements. Ideally we should have both and let the user decide what to look for. Thanks, Micru On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A settlement is in the administrative territorial entity of something higher up.. That could be the municipality. Thanks, GerardM On 11 June 2014 08:35, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard, Normally users don't want information about human settlements, but about

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Thomas Douillard
Hi, I basically proposed a two layers model in extended discussions : Administrative units | Administrative unit type | Administrative unit classes by country City Of London | City of the UK | Type of administrative unit of the UK Lorraine | French Region|

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Important to recognise is that there can be as many layers as are needed.. ie a roller coaster can be in a park, a park can be in a settlement, a settlement in a municipality, a municipality in a county, a county in a province, a province in a state and finally a state in a country (that is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Thomas Douillard
Hi, Gerard, I don't understand, As needed for what ? In your example it is enough to retrieve all the territorial entities a location is in. But let's say I want to get the administrative territorial organisation of France (Wikipedias probably ), I mean like france is divided in regions, regions

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A bot run by Amir has remedied many of the issues that resulted from an import of data for the United States. The fix was to only point to one level up and not have a reference to the state from every location. It is implicitly there.. in the final analysis we do not need to know in what

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Thomas Douillard
There is always special cases that needs special treatments, inference is done again and again, there is no point to recompute everything with an algorithm or a query with hard coded exceptions when we have a simple and regular system who can handle and put the exceptions in the datas. Class of

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You lost me. What have classes to do with this? The system is flexible and you assume that there are special cases... Name one and it can be fit in. Thanks, GerardM On 11 June 2014 11:48, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote: There is always special cases that needs

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF exports

2014-06-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 10/06/14 22:50, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, It is stated that there are no qualifiers included. In one of the articles you write that it is to be understood that the vailidity of the information is dependent on the existing qualifiers. What is the value of these RDF exports with the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Thomas Douillard
I'm still talking of the model I proposed in my first post in this thread. I did give an advantage : you can really simply query the type of units used by a country to class his administrative units, like Region, Departement (as two items) for France with just simple in one request of the future

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread emw
In case anyone is a bit lost, Tom is proposing an approach to classification we've been calling explicit metamodeling. Simply put, let's say you have a class hierarchy: A subclass of B B subclass of C C subclass of D The proposal, as I understand it, is to add instance of claims for almost all

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread Thomas Douillard
http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/3129/paper.pdf (forgot the URL) 2014-06-11 16:43 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com: For a maybe more example, this paper follow that path, and gives example (and in the same time proves the approach is fully compatible with OWL2 reasoning).

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread Derric Atzrott
You might also find the new property browser helpful: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-exports/miga/ (as mentioned before, requires one of Google Chrome, Safari, Opera, or Android Browser to work). While an excellent list and a neat tool, it sadly isn't organised in a way that fits my

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 11/06/14 17:13, Derric Atzrott wrote: You might also find the new property browser helpful: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-exports/miga/ (as mentioned before, requires one of Google Chrome, Safari, Opera, or Android Browser to work). While an excellent list and a neat tool, it sadly

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Toolkit 0.2.0 released

2014-06-11 Thread Maximilian Klein
Excellent work Markus. Your tools are helping me to debunk bad science the world over[1]. Keep up the great work. Max PS. By the way, if you do stack overflow you may want to chime in on this purpose-built question[2]. [1]

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Toolkit 0.2.0 released

2014-06-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 11/06/14 19:52, Maximilian Klein wrote: Excellent work Markus. Your tools are helping me to debunk bad science the world over[1]. Keep up the great work. Thanks :-) Max PS. By the way, if you do stack overflow you may want to chime in on this purpose-built question[2]. I lost my

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread Bene*
Am 11.06.2014 17:27, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Yes, I know what you mean. I'd love to integrate property group information into our view as well, but I don't know where to get this information from (other than by scraping it from the wiki page, which does not seem to be right). Any pointers to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 11/06/14 20:49, Bene* wrote: Am 11.06.2014 17:27, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Yes, I know what you mean. I'd love to integrate property group information into our view as well, but I don't know where to get this information from (other than by scraping it from the wiki page, which does not seem

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread Bene*
Found the bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49554 See also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Statements_on_properties Am 11.06.2014 20:49, schrieb Bene*: Am 11.06.2014 17:27, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Yes, I know what you mean. I'd love to integrate

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread aude
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 11/06/14 20:49, Bene* wrote: Am 11.06.2014 17:27, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Yes, I know what you mean. I'd love to integrate property group information into our view as well, but I don't know where to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread aude
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Bene* benestar.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: The bot operator seems to parse the content of the Wikidata:List of properties https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table subpages, see

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table

2014-06-11 Thread aude
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:17 PM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Bene* benestar.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: The bot operator seems to parse the content of the Wikidata:List of properties https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table

[Wikidata-l] Update on Wikidata Mailinglists

2014-06-11 Thread John Lewis
Hey everyone, Just thought I'd inform that I have changed the design of all three Wikidata mailing lists (wikidata-l, wikidata-tech and wikidata-bugs) to a new, more appealing design. It is based off the one currently used on MediaWiki-l (with source publicly available by Quim Gil) the changes