Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Jane Darnell
OK Andy Gerard, cut it out! I like both of you, but we will never fix things this way. As you correctly point out Gerard, Wikipedians should spend more time adding labels and aliases to existing items and creating new items on Wikidata rather than just making redirects on Wikipedia. As you

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread svetlana
Gerard Meijssen wrote: Wikidata is NOT there to serve the English Wikipedia at the expense of its own integrity. A wish has been formulated to support redirects by WIkipedians while Wikidata has been EXPLICITLY designed NOT to support redirects but more importantly parts of articles. If we

Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Hi Lukas! That really shouldn't happen... Can you tell me on which item that happens? Also, please double-check the namespace and content model of the respective entry in the dump. -- daniel Am 21.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Lukas Benedix: Different keys can still be found in the actual xml dump

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: If we have a need in pointing (at Wikibase/Wikidata) to redirects on a regular basis, it might be time to rethink the relevant project design. I think that rethinking the project design is the right approach here. To

Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 22.10.2014 07:29, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: Hoi, Is this dump going to be cleaned up? Will the next dump be good? Why did this go wrong? Frankly, we have no idea why this is going wrong. I cannot reproduce the problem locally, and it seems to work fine with Special:Export. Dump

Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-22 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 22.10.2014 11:06, schrieb Daniel Kinzler: Hi Lukas! That really shouldn't happen... Can you tell me on which item that happens? Also, please double-check the namespace and content model of the respective entry in the dump. Never mind, I found it in the dump. Can't reproduce, though.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I do not consider myself confused. I am speaking plain language. The article: Death of Alice Gross has information about a living person while it is NOT a living person. As it is, current practices like with the Death of Alice Gross are problematic already enough. When you want redirects,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some extra sitelinks. So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's own integrity.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some extra sitelinks. So I don't see *why* you think there would be any risk to Wikidata's own integrity.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread James Heald
On 22/10/2014 14:23, Smolenski Nikola wrote: Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some extra sitelinks. So I don't see *why* you think there would be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread James Heald
Gerard, I still don't see a problem. If somebody wants to search on Reasonator, they can search on Reasonator, and they will get exactly the same Reasonator pages as before -- the only difference is that those Reasonator pages will include more links to relevant Wikipedia pages, with some of

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: On 22/10/2014 14:23, Smolenski Nikola wrote: Citiranje James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: (1) There would be no change to the item structure on Wikidata in any way -- no change to the values of any of the item properties -- only some extra sitelinks.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, FORGET ABOUT REASONATOR, FORGET ABOUT WIKIPEDIA, FORGET ABOUT WIKIDATA It is about sharing information. That is what this is all about. The information is NOT in Wikipedia, only the data is in Wikidata, there are plenty examples of that. Redirects are something you come up with because it

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Derric Atzrott
All right, that may not be a big problem. However, it would be a big problem if we have: Q(Coat of Arms of Novi Sad) - Coat of Arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad Q(something) - Coat of arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad Q(something) - Coat of arms of novi sad - Novi Sad This is an argument against

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com: I do think though that having something like what you describe happen is more of a user error though. Can you think of any possible Q(something) that Right now, since only linking to articles is allowed, and only one article can be linked