Hoi,
As it is Reasonator is able to show a query for either. When Wikidata has
an item for "Mayor of New York" [1], Reasonator shows you all the mayors of
New York and it shows them in order of date when a date is available.
Theoretically a similar page can be created for the result of "office hel
Hoi Gerard
If we standardise on the "Mayor" of "New York" pattern and add a qualifier
"equivalent to:"Mayor of New York" for those cases where we do have a
specific property then would Reasonator be able to cope with that?
On the other hand I've been doing some more poking on en:Wikipedia and I
f
Hoi,
First of all, we are talking about Wikidata. What a Wikipedia does, any
Wikipedia does gets reflected in Wikidata but Wikidata does not need to
stop there.
When there is a "Mayor of Foo", you can easily query for all the mayors of
Foo. With more difficulty we can do a similar thing when we ha
On 17 June 2014 18:59, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> OK so what is is LCSH and why is it relevant ?
Pity you don't do en.WP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCSH
;-)
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>here are my thoughts about this:
>
>"MAYOR OF FOO" VERSUS "MAYOR" OF "FOO"
>I am in favour of a separate item for every town and village which has a mayor
>or a council.
>I am against have a "Mayor of Foo" item for each these. If the mayor gets an
>item then the deputy mayor and the sheriff and th
Hoi,
OK so what is is LCSH and why is it relevant ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 17 June 2014 18:05, Paul Houle wrote:
> So far as data types go I'd look at the structure here
>
> http://www.freebase.com/business/employment_tenure?schema=
>
> Something parallel to this satisfies the major requirement
here are my thoughts about this:
"MAYOR OF FOO" VERSUS "MAYOR" OF "FOO"
I am in favour of a separate item for every town and village which has a
mayor or a council.
I am against have a "Mayor of Foo" item for each these. If the mayor gets
an item then the deputy mayor and the sheriff and the dog c
So far as data types go I'd look at the structure here
http://www.freebase.com/business/employment_tenure?schema=
Something parallel to this satisfies the major requirements for
describing who was the Mayor of Where When; perhaps the Mayor of New
York is particularly notable, but sum total of s
Sad to see the Deletionists taking hold on Wikidata too.
Tom
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Thomas Douillard <
thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's weird.
>
>
> 2014-06-16 22:08 GMT+02:00 Derric Atzrott :
>
> > That's certai
Hoi,
The problem of a lack of discussion in Wikidata has been raised before.
Ignoring it as has been the observable practice so far is demotivating,
dispiriting, infuriating and it splits the community in the ones wielding
the stick and the ones being stricken.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 17 June 201
>>> Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's
>>> weird.
>>
>> Andy wants an item about himself.
>
> I want policy, particularly the notability policy, to be applied
> consistently and honestly.
>
> I raised the issue of notability; not a specific item, because it
> seem
"
On 17 June 2014 03:41, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
>> Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's
>> weird.
>
> Andy wants an item about himself.
I want policy, particularly the notability policy, to be applied
consistently and honestly.
>'The Community' said 'no, not
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Derric Atzrott <
datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote:
>
>
> @Magus, I've submitted a pull request that fixes that problem I was
> complaining
> about. Its not an ideal fix, but its good enough to satisfy me.
>
>
> Thanks, merged and live now!
Cheers,
Magnus
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On Jun 17, 2014 3:32 AM, "Thomas Douillard"
wrote:
>
> Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's
weird.
Andy wants an item about himself. 'The Community' said 'no, not yet'. Andy
regularly raises this as an inconsistency.
Items for contributors is a special-case proble
On 16 June 2014 21:04, Derric Atzrott wrote:
>> The "of" qualifier is (IME) currently used for cases where we don't
>> have "X of Y", so we use "X" of "Y" - position held: "mayor" of
>> "Frederick" rather than "mayor of Frederick"
>>
>> Once we have the more specific property, we can just switch o
Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's weird.
2014-06-16 22:08 GMT+02:00 Derric Atzrott :
> > That's certainly what the policy says. It's not what some admins accept,
> though.
> >
> > A direct quote from one, from as recently as March this year:
> >
> > * The g
> That's certainly what the policy says. It's not what some admins accept,
> though.
>
> A direct quote from one, from as recently as March this year:
>
> * The general spirit of the notability policy is that Wikipedia
> finds [the subject] notable
This was also the general vibe that I had
> The "of" qualifier is (IME) currently used for cases where we don't
> have "X of Y", so we use "X" of "Y" - position held: "mayor" of
> "Frederick" rather than "mayor of Frederick"
>
> Once we have the more specific property, we can just switch over and
> stop using "of" qualifiers.
So would be
On 16 June 2014 18:40, Thomas Douillard wrote:
> It is even said in the notability criteria that if we can clearly identify
> the concept, like with an id in some authority or national database, then it
> is notable.
That's certainly what the policy says. It's not what some admins accept, though
On 16 June 2014 19:49, Derric Atzrott wrote:
> You've got me there. I could live with every city having a mayor item then.
> That still makes me wonder what the purpose of the "of" qualifier is in
> relation to "position held".
>
> Looking at the "position held" docs, n the example given they us
> I'm very confused now. Can anyone shed some light on what best practice
should
be then?
Wikidata is confusing and not mature, it's sometime hard to put best
pratices and a work of every day /o\. I guess this will be settled only
when the data will be used and when we will have a decent query en
> When you have an item like "mayor of Pebbles minor", you can make qualifiers
> like predecessor and successor, start date and end date. When every town has
> the same mayor, no such functionality is possible.
Start and end date are possible still as are predecessor and successor.
See Q17202594
Notability in Wikidata has a different meaning as in Wikipedia. If an item
is useful to express some information, then it at least fulfil structural
needs and it is notable on Wikidata, fortunately, or it would be a bug
headeach.
It is even said in the notability criteria that if we can clearly id
Hoi,
When you have an item like "mayor of Pebbles minor", you can make
qualifiers like predecessor and successor, start date and end date. When
every town has the same mayor, no such functionality is possible.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 16 June 2014 19:13, Derric Atzrott wrote:
> > Good luck with
> Good luck with your edit-a-thon today [1] and it would be awesome if you could
> introduce Reasonator and Wikidata while discussing Wikipedia. I think it is
> very interesting that you just discovered Magnus through Reasonator instead of
> the other way around - discovering more of Magnus through
Hi Derrick, I think it's vain to ask yourself if some concept "deserves" an
item. It does not make much sense. There is much more value in the
regularity in how we express the same kind of data : this makes really much
simpler to develop tools and to help newbies on how to do things if we
decide on
Derric,
Good luck with your edit-a-thon today [1] and it would be awesome if you
could introduce Reasonator and Wikidata while discussing Wikipedia. I think
it is very interesting that you just discovered Magnus through Reasonator
instead of the other way around - discovering more of Magnus through
>FYI, I maintain Reasonator, as a click on "Other/About Reasonator" would have
>revealed...
Oh, so it does. I have no idea how I missed that. I promise I did try to look
around.
>Absolutely. Do I take it that you volunteer? The code is at:
>
>https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator
>I ca
FYI, I maintain Reasonator, as a click on "Other/About Reasonator" would
have revealed...
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Derric Atzrott <
datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote:
> > It does crop up in many places.. What you see is not the Reasonator
> per-se it
> > is the script used to generate
> It does crop up in many places.. What you see is not the Reasonator per-se it
> is the script used to generate a text. Compare it with the results in most
> other languages, you will not see this text.
That's fair. In that case the script to generate the text should be modified.
> Arguably Rea
Hoi,
It does crop up in many places.. What you see is not the Reasonator per-se
it is the script used to generate a text. Compare it with the results in
most other languages, you will not see this text.
Arguably Reasonator expects a different pattern. You make him mayor.. while
Reasonator expects
I'm not sure who maintains Reasonator, but I figure they probably subscribe to
this list.
It would be really awesome if Reasonator didn't ignore the Of (P:642) qualifier
in Positions Held (P:39).
See: http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=17152496
It just says that Randy McClement (Q:17152496)
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