Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Nathan wrote: > Article is dated today, and refers to a proposal Jimmy will be making > tomorrow. Any idea on what this proposal will be? > > Nathan Well, he got wrong whether or not he had an article, the Encyclopedia Britannica-Wikipedia study conclusions, how W

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:29:29 +, David Gerard wrote: > Sorry, Bono has rights to islands in the Caribbean. Jimbo owns Florida > (except Clearwater, which is owned by Scientology, and the Everglades, > which are owned by Carl Hiaasen) and we have the Arbitration Committee > yacht cruising between

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread K. Peachey
> My preference is to use U.S. formats, measurements, currency for U.S. > articles, and take it from there: use the forms appropriate to the > subject. If there's no obvious default, then leave it alone, following > the BC/BCE wars that spawned the Arbcoms's Jguk decision. ARBCOM hasn't made a deci

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Skyring
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM, K. Peachey wrote: >> What is frustrating is the demands from some chauvinists that American >> dates be used in non-American articles. France uses International >> format dates (14 July 1789), > But were not all american so they shouldn't be used, there should be a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread K. Peachey
> What is frustrating is the demands from some chauvinists that American > dates be used in non-American articles. France uses International > format dates (14 July 1789), But were not all american so they shouldn't be used, there should be a global accessibable standard. _

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Skyring
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:58 PM, K. Peachey wrote: >> All White Cat is saying is that the wikipedia needs markup(s) to >> handle dates. And in fact, right now there are multiple markups >> available, including American-style ones. > Thats not mark up, what your describing is style/layout. The mark

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread K. Peachey
> That is rather complex. Most editors are not going to want to type that. > > Carcharoth In most cases you wouldn't need more than <> which is no more than linking it currently, the rest was just example(/s) for the rare cases that people want to force the layout no matter what the end user settin

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:58 AM, K. Peachey wrote: >> All White Cat is saying is that the wikipedia needs markup(s) to >> handle dates. And in fact, right now there are multiple markups >> available, including American-style ones. > Thats not mark up, what your describing is style/layout. The marku

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread K. Peachey
> All White Cat is saying is that the wikipedia needs markup(s) to > handle dates. And in fact, right now there are multiple markups > available, including American-style ones. Thats not mark up, what your describing is style/layout. The markup would be the wikicode surronding it it. For example i

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki

2009-02-08 Thread Skyring
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Ian Woollard wrote: > On 08/02/2009, David Gerard wrote: >> Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#How_to_raise_the_tone_of_the_wiki >> >> More input needed for the idea, general sup

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki

2009-02-08 Thread Ian Woollard
On 08/02/2009, David Gerard wrote: > Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#How_to_raise_the_tone_of_the_wiki > > More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc. I think sniffing helium and sa

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread White Cat
The logical course of action is letting the reader decide the style. Making it modifiable. When the rule was first drafted we did not even have the ISO conversion technology (aka [[1956-01-20]] style). Now we do. We should take advantage of it. - White Cat On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Ian Wo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread White Cat
Why do you want to force me to see US-style dates? Inches? Fahrenheits? Ounces? On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/2/8 White Cat : > > Hard coded in the context of my message is when dates are typed out. Like > > January, 20 1956 rather than soft coded [[1956-01-20]]. > > I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Sorry, Bono has rights to islands in the Caribbean. Jimbo owns Florida > (except Clearwater, which is owned by Scientology, and the Everglades, > which are owned by Carl Hiaasen) and we have the Arbitration Committee > yacht cruising between th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/8 : > >> I'm sick and tired of this back office wheeling and dealing. >> At our last meeting I am *certain* we had agreed to take over the island of >> Barbados. >> Now I hear this. I'm completely miffed. > > > Sorry, Bono has rights t

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/8 : > I'm sick and tired of this back office wheeling and dealing. > At our last meeting I am *certain* we had agreed to take over the island of > Barbados. > Now I hear this. I'm completely miffed. Sorry, Bono has rights to islands in the Caribbean. Jimbo owns Florida (except Clearwate

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread WJhonson
I'm sick and tired of this back office wheeling and dealing. At our last meeting I am *certain* we had agreed to take over the island of Barbados. Now I hear this. I'm completely miffed. Will In a message dated 2/8/2009 10:45:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:

[WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki

2009-02-08 Thread David Gerard
Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#How_to_raise_the_tone_of_the_wiki More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing li

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/8 Ian Woollard : > On 08/02/2009, Phil Nash wrote: >> Alvaro García wrote: Well maybe it said so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hattersley >> >> Well no, he says "my entry", and a quick look at "Roy Hattersley" (which has >> fewer than 500 edits), shows nothing in the edit

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Ian Woollard
On 08/02/2009, Phil Nash wrote: > Alvaro García wrote: >>> Well maybe it said so here: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hattersley > > Well no, he says "my entry", and a quick look at "Roy Hattersley" (which has > fewer than 500 edits), shows nothing in the edit summaries for "son", > "Giles",

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/8 Nathan : > Article is dated today, and refers to a proposal Jimmy will be making > tomorrow. Any idea on what this proposal will be? Revoking [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this ma

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Nathan
Article is dated today, and refers to a proposal Jimmy will be making tomorrow. Any idea on what this proposal will be? Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Charles Matthews
Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/2/7 Sam Blacketer : > >> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article5682896.ece >> >> Slightly confused article headed "The wiki-snobs are taking over" by Giles >> Hattersley. Misnames 'administrators' as 'arbitrators'. Towards the end the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Carcharoth
Please remember that the archives of this mailing list are available for anyone to read. Carcharoth On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Alvaro García wrote: > Hehe great one. > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:20, Giacomo M-Z wrote: > >> I am giving him the bio he so deserves >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Alvaro García
Hehe great one. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:20, Giacomo M-Z wrote: > I am giving him the bio he so deserves > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Hattersley please leap in fast if any > of > my famed spelling or grammatical errors occur! > > giano > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Alvaro García

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/2/7 Sam Blacketer : > http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article5682896.ece > > Slightly confused article headed "The wiki-snobs are taking over" by Giles > Hattersley. Misnames 'administrators' as 'arbitrators'. Towards the end the > author claims "My entry feat

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Giacomo M-Z
I am giving him the bio he so deserves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Hattersley please leap in fast if any of my famed spelling or grammatical errors occur! giano On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Alvaro García wrote: > Oh, I see. > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 21:31, Phil Nash > wrote: > > >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Ian Woollard
On 08/02/2009, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/2/8 White Cat : >> Hard coded in the context of my message is when dates are typed out. Like >> January, 20 1956 rather than soft coded [[1956-01-20]]. >> Ideally all dates should always be soft coded and be modified by users >> preferences. In reality the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/2/8 White Cat : > Hard coded in the context of my message is when dates are typed out. Like > January, 20 1956 rather than soft coded [[1956-01-20]]. > Ideally all dates should always be soft coded and be modified by users > preferences. In reality the exact opposite of this is done. So your

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > I think there would tend to be problems with caching. Some ISPs/caches > probably straddle national boundaries, National boundaries but not the Pond, generally speaking. —C.W. ___ WikiEN-l mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] What is an orphan?

2009-02-08 Thread Charles Matthews
Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/2/7 Sage Ross : > > >> But it seems like there may naturally be a significant number of >> articles that ought to have only one incoming link, just based on the >> nature of topics and their relationships to each other and on the >> notion of "preferential attachment",