Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors}

2011-02-03 Thread Mark
book on a subject sneaks in quite a bit of opinion and original research, and sometimes even digs at academic opponents if the editors let them get away with it, which is why you can't really read an academic book without *also* reading a few journals' reviews of it. -Mark ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tabloid sources (was Wikipedia leadership})

2011-02-05 Thread Mark
policy, we beat the book by a large margin! And it's hardly an isolated example, if you look at the list of recent publications by academic presses, there is a whole lot of social activism going on. Not that that's even necessarily bad; academic presses don't serve the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Mark
that's what we should tackle, though. Is it possible to improve our methods of keeping marginal junk out of an article, while stopping short of entirely deleting and salting the article? -Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-13 Thread Mark
y anything, therefore we shouldn't treat them as a reliable source that does. Are there any cases where editors should have discretion to delete *actually* solidly verifiable information, like some piece of physics information sourced to multiple well-re

Re: [WikiEN-l] Millions for salaries, not one cent for defense

2011-07-21 Thread Mark
their old content freely available through JSTOR, if JSTOR offered that as an option that they could choose--- something like the NYTimes, "pre-1923 free, post-1923 pay" archive policy. But JSTOR doesn't even allow a journal to mark any portion of their archive non-paywalled, much les

[WikiEN-l] on citing Wikipedia in U.S. court opinions

2012-08-16 Thread Mark
not manufactured by Kawasaki. I guess the OED doesn't have a note on that yet? Or maybe they don't have OED subscriptions over at the court? Alternately, maybe they just liked the way we worded the explanation and wanted to quote it rather than re-explaining the same thi

Re: [WikiEN-l] links to open courses?

2012-10-05 Thread Mark
in 3d graphics, imo it'd be appropriate for [[transformation matrix]] to link it, because that becomes more focused. Best, Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-18 Thread Mark
ns" are not new goals, and many organizations actually based in India, with longer histories, have much more knowledge about the sticking points than we do. Plus, decentralization of operations and dissemination of funds to support decentralized operations seems rather in keeping with the ge

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-31 Thread Mark
text, rather than a side illustration. But at larger widths, you can put the side illustrations out in the margin, because there is tons of space. -Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this m

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedian identity stronger than U.S. political partisanship, says study

2013-04-04 Thread Mark
turn up less positive results. But in any case, it's an interesting read. -Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] A definite version of WP:CRYSTAL

2008-11-13 Thread Mark Gallagher
e to talk about global warming, heat death of the universe, whatever --- is to be elevating a badly-written policy above common sense. Again. -- Mark Gallagher 0439 704 975 http://formonelane.net/ "Even potatoes have their bad days, Igor." --- Count Duckula ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Community vs. Scholarly Consensus

2008-12-18 Thread Mark Gallagher
e impenetrable writing. Quoting Derrida can be likened to pouring oil on troubled fires. Phil has hinted at it, but the primary reason we should be able to summarise and rephrase the words of humanities experts is that if we don't, our articles won't make any gosh-darned sense ... C

[WikiEN-l] Image tagging: 33 months later

2008-12-22 Thread Mark Wagner
ot; tags ("promotional", "fair use", etc.) seems to have worked wonderfully. We still need to do something about people uploading images with incorrect information, but it's far less of a problem than it used to be. -- Mark [[User:Carnildo]] ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why infoboxes are good

2009-01-29 Thread Mark Gallagher
t's nice when there is a consensus view of what a given infobox should say; it's less nice when the people who populate the infoboxes have different interests and values from you. Cheers, -- Mark Gallagher 0439 704 975 http://formonelane.net/ "Even potatoes have their bad day

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why infoboxes are good

2009-01-29 Thread Mark Gallagher
t's nice when there is a consensus view of what a given infobox should say; it's less nice when the people who populate the infoboxes have different interests and values from you. Cheers, -- Mark Gallagher 0439 704 975 http://formonelane.net/ "Even potatoes have their bad day

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why infoboxes are good

2009-01-29 Thread Mark Wagner
to read "music" -- although I suppose this would lead to edit wars over the use of such infoboxes in articles on rappers. -- Mark [[User:Carnildo]] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, vis

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-20 Thread Mark Nilrad
that you can't watch over all the articles that Wikipedia has without getting more and more editors. Another reason why being nice to newcomers and leaving a good first impression is so crucial. Obviously, as you can read in the Slashdot comments (and many other places), this is not Wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Poetry thread

2009-03-15 Thread Mark Nilrad
o me (in the end, at least). I hope other editors can feel the same way. Mark From: Scientia Potentia est To: English Wikipedia Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:49:30 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Poetry thread Durova, you forgot the cardinal rule of Wikipedi

Re: [WikiEN-l] NPOV is a big lie

2009-04-09 Thread Mark Nilrad
Bill, It's not any good to make blanket statements about Wikipedia based on one article in your experience. This is what a lot of journalists do when writing about Wikipedia, and then proceed to lambast/praise/poo-poo or whatever based on that single experience. That is what it looks to me like

Re: [WikiEN-l] New Book - Cyberchiefs

2009-04-09 Thread Mark Nilrad
How much good can there be to say about the leadership for WMF? Meanwhile, At the same time as this is published, the lovely "co-founder" issue springs up again. How ironic. And by the way, just wondering: when you say you studied Wikipedia, does that mean just English Wikipedia, or the whole

Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales

2009-04-10 Thread Mark Nilrad
Wikipedia says Wikipedia was "a complementary project for Nupedia". Citenzendium says Wikipedia was "an accidental spin-off of Nupedia". Is there any reason to say that? How can a project be an "accidental spin-off" of something else? Noble Story From: Carch

Re: [WikiEN-l] ulitzer.com

2009-04-16 Thread Mark Nilrad
I guess they don't want to aim too low on their expectations. "Within the next five years, TIME Magazine, Harvard Business Review, Scientific American, Condé Nast Traveler, and Wikipedia will be replaced by Ulitzer." From: geni To: English Wikipedia Sent: Thur

[WikiEN-l] And Wikipedia's best area of coverage is...

2009-04-24 Thread Mark Nilrad
Tropical cyclones. Anyone surprised? That's followed by Illinois, and the Simpsons. I made a full list at User:Noble Story/Project stats. Actually, I was surprised at how good the Vital articles coverage was. 16% of the articles are "approved", which is eleventh best. Not bad, as opposed to wha

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikialarm

2009-05-06 Thread Mark Nilrad
Why is this needed when there are already RSS/Atom feeds for every article history? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peloponnesian_War&feed=rss&action=history That's one, for example. Did they just happen to overlook that? From: Carcharoth To: Engli

Re: [WikiEN-l] False quote regarding Maurice Jarre

2009-05-07 Thread Mark Nilrad
Similar to the story of adding one more name for a German politician. This seems very hypocritical of "traditional" sources, to call Wikipedia unreliable, and then copy it verbatim. How many more embarrassments do they need to take before they stop? From: Wil

Re: [WikiEN-l] Date conditional switching templates

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Nilrad
The thing about the template is that after the date it's useless; it can just be plain text. So, someone will come and remove it, which is just the same as having to update the date manually. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects

2009-06-24 Thread Mark Wagner
ket link, it gets "nofollow"; if it creates a two-bracket link, it doesn't. -- Mark [[User:Carnildo]] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-06 Thread Mark Wagner
, and every few years, another generation of advocates discovers that it isn't the obscure codewords and symbols that make programming difficult. -- Mark [[User:Carnildo]] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-07-17 Thread Mark Gallagher
rrect (no, I haven't looked up to > see whether some genius has changed the definition of stub). I've never > taken much notice of what is and isn't denominated a stub. In fact (and to return to the original topic ;)), I would argue that Steve's comprehensive two-parag

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admins can now rename files!

2009-09-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 13:14, David Gerard wrote: > http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/09/file-renaming-enabled-for-admins/ > Again? Bets on how long it'll last this time? -- Mark [[User:Carnildo]] ___ WikiEN-l mailing li

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Mark Wagner
e the sort of propaganda that totalitarian states produce. Throw in a picture of Jimbo giving the Roman salute and you're done. -- Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https:

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
-- Forwarded message -- From: "ENWP Pine" Date: Jun 3, 2014 5:02 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia To: "wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org" Cc: Because VE has repeatedly been mentioned in this list as something that is improving and may help us with acquisi

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-l] Offwiki

2014-07-13 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:59 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Wil Sinclair wrote: >>Hi all, I've started a new wiki called Offwiki: http://offwiki.org. >>Our community discusses potential changes to Wikipedia and its >>Wikimedia sister projects that aren't easily discussed in forums like >>this mailing list