Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Delirium wrote: > Ron Ritzman wrote: >> A question I thought of after reading >> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Angr this]. Is Wikipedia a free >> (libre) encyclopedia or a free (beer) encyclopedia that primarily uses >> a free (libre) license? > > You can v

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Ron Ritzman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:29 AM, James Farrar wrote: > >> Which brings up the question "What is Wikipedia?". Is meta-content >> like User: space and Wikipedia: space actually part of Wikipedia? > > A question I thought of after reading > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:An

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Ron Ritzman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:29 AM, James Farrar wrote: > >> Which brings up the question "What is Wikipedia?". Is meta-content >> like User: space and Wikipedia: space actually part of Wikipedia? >> > A question I thought of after reading > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U

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2009/1/19 James Farrar : > True, but IMX images hosted on enwiki get moved to commons PDQ. Not always. There are situations where they cannot be moved and notices are placed. In this case however the image could not be used on en since we don't allow non free images outside the article namespace b

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2009/1/19 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/19/09, James Farrar wrote: >> 2009/1/19 Wilhelm Schnotz : >>> On 1/19/09, Ron Ritzman wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > There's a good solution: don't have a ridiculously strict policy. Someone correct me if I

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Right, but it is on wikimedia commons. If it were hosted on en wikipedia, you could argue fair use, etc. As far as the image's current status, I explained that in a prior post. Remember commons hosts only free images. On 1/19/09, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/19 Wilhelm Schnotz : >> On 1/19/09,

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2009/1/19 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/19/09, Ron Ritzman wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: >> >>> There's a good solution: don't have a ridiculously strict policy. >> >> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the current image policy >> is a compromise between those

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The problem is *this* particular example is on commons. If james meant to point out our complex image policy.. He should have linked to a closed discussion on en wiki. Common's rules are simpler then en wiki... Most of the complexity is really copyright law. On 1/19/09, Ron Ritzman wrote: > On S

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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Ron Ritzman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:29 AM, James Farrar wrote: > >> Which brings up the question "What is Wikipedia?". Is meta-content >> like User: space and Wikipedia: space actually part of Wikipedia? > > A question I thought of after reading > [htt

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2009/1/19 Ron Ritzman : > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:29 AM, James Farrar wrote: > >> Which brings up the question "What is Wikipedia?". Is meta-content >> like User: space and Wikipedia: space actually part of Wikipedia? > > A question I thought of after reading > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User

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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:29 AM, James Farrar wrote: > Which brings up the question "What is Wikipedia?". Is meta-content > like User: space and Wikipedia: space actually part of Wikipedia? A question I thought of after reading [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Angr this]. Is Wikipedia a free (

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2009/1/19 geni : > 2009/1/19 James Farrar : >> Oh, we always have a choice. In this case, one available choice is "do >> nothing and see if they send us a C&D". > > We could do that in a lot of cases. Rather runs into the problem that > wikipedia is meant to be free content though. Which brings up

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2009/1/19 Nathan : > Instance number 192,453,345,252 that someone complains about something that > "makes no sense" and turns out to be completely wrong. Next! No-one said that. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from

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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > There's a good solution: don't have a ridiculously strict policy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the current image policy is a compromise between those who believe enwp should have no non-free images, which would be a very simpl

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No, being wrong isn't a function of my opinion. Mr. Farrar doesn't even argue for being right, he just thinks we should make an exception for when we're having fun. Plus I thought it'd be neat to arbitrarily pick a number to add to my unnecessarily definitive statement. Nathan

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Are you kidding me? Person X has one opinion. Person Y has another. You agree with person Y, so you conclude person X is "completely wrong." ObSheesh: Sheesh. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Nathan wrote: > Instance number 192,453,345,252 that someone complains about something that > "makes

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Instance number 192,453,345,252 that someone complains about something that "makes no sense" and turns out to be completely wrong. Next! Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://l

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2009/1/19 James Farrar : > Oh, we always have a choice. In this case, one available choice is "do > nothing and see if they send us a C&D". We could do that in a lot of cases. Rather runs into the problem that wikipedia is meant to be free content though. >Another would be to contact > them and a

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I'm glad you liked my link to WP:LAME. The primary reason we cannot accept "permission" from a company is that permission does not make that image free. (our license and mission means we should maximize free content..., in addition we cannot accept permission for wikimedia only as re-users (legit

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2009/1/19 Ken Arromdee : > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, The Cunctator wrote: >> I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. > > In this case, the image actually may be unusable even under fair use. It's > the *real* law which has lost all perspective. We have no choice but to > f

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, The Cunctator wrote: > I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. In this case, the image actually may be unusable even under fair use. It's the *real* law which has lost all perspective. We have no choice but to follow it. But it is sort of amusin

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2009/1/18 The Cunctator : > I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. That may well be his point. The example he gave does not support it, though. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this

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I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Wilhelm Schnotz wrote: > Hah, > > I am not defending top or bottom posting here, but merely explaining > why it happens. Several services and programs are programmed by > default to top post, and

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Hah, I am not defending top or bottom posting here, but merely explaining why it happens. Several services and programs are programmed by default to top post, and users don't tend to change those defaults as that requires extra work. (assuming its even possible) For those remotely curious... The

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Gmail mobile hides all quotes. However from a mobile device using google mobile, I am unable to change the setting from top post to anything else. I can't even copy paste my response to the bottom of the mail because I can't "see" the comments, so I have no way to post "under" them. On 1/18/09, T

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2009/1/18 Alvaro García : > Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the > answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you > don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered. If we want to cater for people with extremely small screens

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2009/1/18 James Farrar : > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture > Existing copyright law is not wikimedia's fault. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe fr

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Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 15:08, "Wilhelm Schnotz" wrote: > The reason why it is

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The reason why it is top posted is because that is the default action that google mail does. As I am writing from a mobile device, it is impossible for me to change that default. (google mobile mail hides comments on the assumption that you can just scroll up through the mail history.) So for me,

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My iPod puts the answers in the top, there's where they'll stay. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:40, "James Farrar" wrote: > 2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton : >>> [IFYPFY as well.] >> >> What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for >> you", but you don't seem to have made any ch

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2009/1/18 James Farrar : > 2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton : >>> [IFYPFY as well.] >> >> What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for >> you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you >> are replying to when you quote them... > > I've been rearranging the contri

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Hehe, I did the same and thought the same. I was going to ask him too. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:36, "Thomas Dalton" wrote: >> [IFYPFY as well.] > > What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for > you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you

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2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton : >> [IFYPFY as well.] > > What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for > you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you > are replying to when you quote them... I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters

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> [IFYPFY as well.] What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

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It didn't offend me, I just find it inappropriate. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:26, "James Farrar" wrote: > 2009/1/18 Alvaro García : > >> On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" >> wrote: >> >>> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Sch

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2009/1/18 Alvaro García : > On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" wrote: > >> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >>> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_o

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Watch your language -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >>> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >>> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_S

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2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >> >>> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture >>> Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) i

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You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > >> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture >>>

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2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton > 2009/1/18 James Farrar : > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture > > You care less about Wikipedia because some people on Commons aren't > entirely sure of the law so see the need to go through standard > procedure

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2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture >> > Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not > going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far

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2009/1/18 James Farrar : > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture You care less about Wikipedia because some people on Commons aren't entirely sure of the law so see the need to go through standard procedure in order to decide what to do? __

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Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should

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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l