Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of

[Wikimedia-l] Right to be forgotten

2014-07-07 Thread Nathan
published some of the notifications, inducing a sort of Streisand effect. Will the WMF publish or publicly track somewhere the receipt of these notifications? ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of volunteers. (Was: How many volunteers (not editors) ...?)

2014-07-01 Thread Nathan
There are over four hundred list moderators?? I'm shocked there are even that many people contributing to official mailing lists! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Trillium, Let's be clear about a few things. The only data that checkusers get is a subset of the data that the WMF webservers (and all other webservers throughout the Internet) collect on all visitors. This is data that is voluntarily disclosed by readers (although they may not all be aware of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
The issue is *about* Commons but doesn't only affect Commons, particularly the discussion around alternative methods of making not-purely-free files available and searchable across Commons. As you can see from the growing discontent with Commons, this URAA issue is not the only problem. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Correction - the first line should read available and searchable across WMF projects. Apologies for double posting. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is *about* Commons but doesn't only affect Commons, particularly the discussion around alternative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)

2014-06-18 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: I have taken a moment to find a relevant reference to back up my memory, see [1] which shows Salvio giuliano vigorously defending his use of the word butthurt. Salvio giulano is a current English Wikipedia Arbcom member. I have not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-17 Thread Nathan
I don't think the concept of the project is the problem. I'm skeptical that an Uncommons project built around fair use could be workable, considering that the validity of a fair use claim is context-specific and no cross-wiki project (like Commons) is going to have an easy time managing that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-17 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is the behavior of a certain core set of Commons admins; George, SJ, and Nathan: In addition to Erik Moeller's initial proposal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-17 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:29 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the concept of the project is the problem. I'm skeptical that an Uncommons project built around fair use could be workable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: All: In other Wikimedia-related forums, recent discussions have focused on some (alleged) comments at the Wiki Conference in New York. Apparently, some people suggested that the WMF's Executive Director should dump

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: No, I have not recapped the whole situation. What I think is appropriate is that we find a way to bring the situation to a calm conclusion of some kind

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms

2014-06-12 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRSTATEMENT The statement is a nice read and it's hardly objectionable. I'd expect nothing less from a group of public relations folks, all of whom have a very vested interest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA in the media

2014-06-07 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Martin Rulsch martin.rul...@wikimedia.de wrote: And what's the purpose of your question(s)? How does it help you to know what he said or not? Do you want to get an impression of his character? Then better start over with fresh questions than the tendentious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
substantial input of community members. As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, and personally I'm happy to see it go live tomorrow. ~Nathan On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: I am writing to ask that the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, 05/06/2014 18:46: As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, {{citation needed}} https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/07/launching-a-privacy-policy-built

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: A question to Yana et al.: Is there any reason for the WMF to promote/sign Zero agreements instead of the local chapters/user groups? I mean, if that ability was subsidized to the chapters we could have a different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Nathan
or in part, if he proves that he is not responsible for the event giving rise to the damage. Does this, perhaps in conjunction with the Section 230 status of the WMF, provide some cover? CC'd to the advocacy advisory list. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:23 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/2014 12:53, Mark wrote: On 6/2/14, 10:55 PM, ??? wrote: There is no public interest in how many time celeb X got a detention at school for not doing their homework at junior high. Isn't that the kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:54 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/2014 22:35, Nathan wrote: Interesting. Can you link me to a biography where a school detention is the main feature of the article? How about this 8 yo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
to respond, but I don't think there is a strong moral basis for not providing the round total number. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
observers. I looked for one in the AffCom meta garden but couldn't find anything quite like that. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: £2600 for everything. Got to get on! Don't want to get accused of hogging the lists! Thanks Jon! Sorry for my confusion, appreciate the response. (And its a new month, and a new posting limit!).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Nathan
it seriously should not be too difficult to do this in a timely fashion. Cheers Russavia The conference was in Berlin, not New York. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014 ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Nathan
that the program to support such an organization had died, we put in to be a user group. Out of curiosity, what does the Borregos in the name mean? ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: Wil, Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for this list, that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Lila, My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote: As we have more than 1 members now I did not realize WMDE

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
Welcome Rachel! Erik (or someone else), is there a succinct description of the mission of the Community Engagement and Community Advocacy departments, and/or especially a summary of the difference between their roles? Your e-mail from December included some of this information, I'm just curious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
appreciate that you have made it clear you've seen the threads of the last few weeks and understand the concerns that posters have described. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
Perfect. Thanks as always Philippe for being awesome. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Nathan, I was responding to Lila's note to clarify that I had made the decision to not discuss anything privately with any WMF employee. The IRC discussion was referenced by Fae, so I sent a link to the discussion so everyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-27 Thread Nathan
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.dewrote: Am 27.05.2014 15:18, schrieb Andy Mabbett: On 26 May 2014 13:38, Tim Moritz Hector tim-moritz.hec...@wikimedia.de wrote: The wording regarding the quorum to hold an exceptional general assembly has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Nathan
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote: American Osteopathic Association I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Nathan
FYI - Here is the previous thread on this list about this study / topic: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/460005?do=post_view_threaded ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-27 Thread Nathan
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.dewrote: Hi Nathan, I put my answers inline. Am 27.05.2014 16:18, schrieb Nathan: The fees are the same for either type of member, 24 euros per year? Yes. Double the term length of the supervisory board, A term

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Nathan
That's a weird content architecture, right there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_physician

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-25 Thread Nathan
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: And this conversation is getting pretty repetitive, isn't it? Yep! Remember that some of the harsher reactions here have more to do with WR/WO than you. Hope the long string of uniformly negative reactions on the list haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Nathan
comment or a bit of strong language. Lastly, standard Internet comment on free speech: Your legal right to free speech is not a protection against criticism or a limit in any other way on what others can say to or about you. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Non-renewal of Wikimedia UK fundraiser agreement

2014-05-21 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2014 13:19, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: ... 2. Probably not. See

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defining impact for Wikimedia programs, grants and evaluation

2014-05-19 Thread Nathan
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Edward Galvez egal...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi Pine, Thank you for your bringing this page to our attention and for raising these interesting questions. I would have to agree that the “Program evaluation basics” page is not well-designed and should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-19 Thread Nathan
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2014 00:14, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I did give serious consideration to going and properly categorizing the image, but given the underlying threat from Russavia, and my disinclination to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons tagging and/versus categorization

2014-05-19 Thread Nathan
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:16 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: I'll be leaving Commons categorisation until it's tags rather than ridiculously specific subcategories. Commons has tags right now: they're called categories. Or is there a distinction you're making?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons tagging and/versus categorization

2014-05-19 Thread Nathan
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:44 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Nathan wrote: Sure - ease of use for tagging and the sometimes complex hierarchical nature of categories. For ease of use (adding and removing), I think most wikis have HotCat (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/HotCat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:19 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 May 2014 23:14, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, there was a recent external study of Wikipedia's medical content that came to unflattering results:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'd like the Foundation to invest in such research, which is why I brought it up here. I cant think of several instances of donors' money being spent on things that to me seemed less supportive of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I'm a total newb here, and I know the grant system between WMF and the different chapters has been debated in the past. But I have a simple question: if WMF is funding these efforts through grants and the grant money is used to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I looked at WMF's grant page here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants. I don't see any mention of grants for academic research. Does the WMF give such grants? If not, why not? ,Wil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I imagine this isn't the first time someone has thrown something like this in to the Wikipedosphere. If so, what did people think? If not, what do you guys think? :) ,Wil I think it sounds a little bit like wikidata.org,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-05-06 Thread Nathan
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: I want to point out something that stands out to me. This is not an outright contradiction, but it's a puzzling contrast. In an unrelated thread on this email list, Executive Director Sue Gardner recently said:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] general strategic goals

2014-05-05 Thread Nathan
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31#Strategy_discussion The Board discussed how they will develop the process for the next strategic plan. The Board would like the strategic planning process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Assessing this round of FDC proposals, including the WMF's proposal

2014-04-27 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Hi Risker, On 27 Apr 2014, at 16:01, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: However, having accepted the validity of the proposal, the FDC does not have the authority to delegate its role. I think you're

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote: Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all? I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote: Of the 120 staffers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The upcoming TOU amendment

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
activities. Of course all this serves to support part of Pete's point in his blog post; transparency is tough to successfully mandate, and hardly solves all of the inherent issues surrounding for-profit engagement with Wikimedia content. ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI editing by WMF staff

2014-04-17 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: snip In February 2010, either shortly before or during his application for a top level executive position as Chief Community Officer, Zack created[1] a user page with the following content: Mainly, I just fix typos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Nathan
Many of the chapters are still in startup mode - a challenge that the WMF should avoid when targeting organizations for sponsorship or donation. Perhaps more saliently, OSM, MariaDB, Internet Archive etc. are not representing the Wikimedia movement, aren't using Wikimedia trademarks, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Nathan
I agree with Mike Peel on 'maybe' - I think donations from the WMF to non-profit organizations could be great and very useful, but that the WMF should 1) ensure that the donations have a substantial impact (i.e. not $500 to ICRC, where WMF funds would get lost in a sea of other contributors), 2)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF's April Fool's Joke?

2014-04-03 Thread Nathan
Which part do you think is a joke? The same notice is posted on all the proposal forms. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Setting ticket prices

2014-03-24 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:19 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.comwrote: IMO if Nathan felt that a peaceful and private resolution couldnt or shouldnt be achieved via one-on-one email exchange, I think the appropriate response is to forward it privately to the list admins. Rupert should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Setting ticket prices

2014-03-23 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:35 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: as i overrun my monthly limit of mails allowed on this list already, and i do not want an unrelated discussion on a public mailing list, this in private: nathan, would you be so kind to invest a little bit more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-21 Thread Nathan
or interrogatory tone towards WMF employees is probably not helpful, as it rarely is in professional communication. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: sarcasm Wow, we've made an entire 1.6k out of bitcoin? This totally seems like the highest-value way to spend our time! Thanks, Bitcoin! I'm sure that the value of these items won't wildly vary in short spaces of time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?

2014-03-07 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: We've tried this before and so far it hasn't worked very well. See results from 2012-13 at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Donor_engagement/Thank_You_campaign Generally speaking, we're moving away from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-03 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Stryn@Wikimedia strynw...@gmail.com wrote: The corrected report seems to be http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/02/5152/Report-submitted-to-police-duly,-says-Wikimedia Regards, *Stryn* Wow, that's one hell of a correction. Good on Finland Times.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-27 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:56 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 22:03, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote: We remain convinced that something is fundamentally wrong when its practical result is self-inflicting the highest possible loss of contents. And we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again

2014-02-25 Thread Nathan
So the lesson here is that list archives should not be messed with. I don't think that is news, I seem to remember hearing about the havoc potentially caused by selectively editing list archives many years ago and once in awhile ever since. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l archives

2014-02-24 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: The archives were rebuilt (and then restored up to January) under request of a user who shared private information in February. Old links are not broken and you can normally access the specific volumes:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l archives

2014-02-24 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.netwrote: Hear that sound? That's the sound of a million data miners working to figure out what juicy bit of info has been redacted. Cheers, Craig Found it: http://bit.ly/1fsZjVI

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine -- is everyone safe?

2014-02-20 Thread Nathan
, that is not the policy of this list. Wishing a safe and healthy life to all Ukrainians during their time of turmoil. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Proposed amendment to the Wikimedia Terms of Use

2014-02-20 Thread Nathan
Is there a way to incorporate the local policy by reference into the TOU, something like The Wikimedia Foundation requires that all users being paid to contribute follow the disclosure, conflict or related applicable policy on each project where said users contribute.? Might that be a solution to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-11 Thread Nathan
of money. Since the list archives form a public record and not all list subscribers know everyone else, it would be very helpful if posters considered including this kind of a disclosure in posts where it may be meaningful. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-11 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.comwrote: Le 12 févr. 2014 00:10, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com a écrit : Well, it's actually pretty straightforward. For members of the Board of Trustees, FDC and AffCom, as well as Board members of all Chapters. All of us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-11 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you misunderstood what I was wondering about, which is probably my fault as I was trying to avoid giving any specific examples. But without at all attempting to disparage her or suggest that her intentions are anything

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL Board members withdraw from international activities

2014-02-03 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Hi Nathan, Allow me to correct - WMIL is not withdrawing from international activities. For example, WMIL will probably going to be one of the leading chapters supporting WLE, and many others international projects

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan
There's an article about the debate up from yesterday on Ars: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/wikimedia-considers-supporting-h-264-to-boost-accessibility-content/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan
One thing that hasn't come up in the debate is the relative importance of Wikimedia's approach to video, given the existing video ecosystem. YouTube enables cc-by uploading and has 4 million videos with a free license, and 6.5 million videos that are explicitly educational. Are we sure focusing on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that hasn't come up in the debate is the relative importance of Wikimedia's approach to video, given the existing video ecosystem. YouTube enables cc-by uploading and has 4 million videos with a free license, and 6.5

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure what debate you're referring to. If it's about whether video belongs in Wikipedia, I don't think it's even in question. Wikipedia started in 2001 as all text. It didn't have photos then, we now have photos.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: Ah. Well if you're not even buying into the legitimacy of photos on Commons, I'm not sure there's a way to have a productive discussion about video. -Andrew No, I think the vast repository of images, properly curated,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process

2014-01-15 Thread Nathan
Thanks to WMDE for the thoughtful and very interesting feedback to the FDC. As an observer but not a participant, I found it very helpful in organizing and restating the criticism we've all read about the FDC process. The statement is highly constructive, and I understand why it doesn't get into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-10 Thread Nathan
I think we should just thank everyone, on at least a yearly basis, with a thank you drive similar to what we do for fundraising. It doesn't need to be for a specific edit or tied to any one IP. After the fundraiser hits the goal we usually run it a little with a thank you banner, and if we did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Nathan
We should thank them for editing using a major banner, a la the fundraiser. I don't know why we do huge fundraising drives but seem to neglect editing drives, even though editing is really the core way for people to donate to Wikimedia. ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Nathan wrote: We should thank them for editing using a major banner, a la the fundraiser. I don't know why we do huge fundraising drives but seem to neglect editing drives, even though editing is really the core way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-08 Thread Nathan
You know what, I think this outcome is not just disappointing, it's positively astounding. I have a lot that I could say about it, but I can't imagine what the point of saying it could possibly be. Chalk one up for the trolls. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, Nathan, please let us cut the bullshit, for I have a pretty low tolerance for it, and I am happy to call you out on it. You are right, I don't see anywhere in Odder's blog or in my posts on this list that Sarah

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, I am unable to find a mention of sockpuppetry in the Terms of Use, whether in Section 4 or elsewhere. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use I don't think there could be such a mention, really, given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-05 Thread Nathan
Let's be clear, Russavia - the terms of use bar sockpuppetry, and the cease and desist refers to concealing the identity of the author to deceive the editing community. I don't see that you've accused Sarah of sockpuppetry, so why not cut the bullshit? Thanks for notifying Wiki-PR, by the way, I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Nathan
it should be elsewhere, it is probably unnecessary to remind us again. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Qrpedia domain transfer

2013-12-20 Thread Nathan
agreements between WMF and other Wikimedia entities and Cultural Outreach Ltd? Thanks, Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2013-14 Round 2 FDC/annual plan grants timeline moved out by a month: proposals due April 1, 2014

2013-12-18 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I would like to note that this is highly irregular, biased, and unfair. Last year, Wikimedia India had formally requested for similar concessions during FDC Round 2 of 2012-13 and were denied the same and we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:10 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinon this whole bitcoin debate is framed incorrectly. The question is not if it should be accepted or not, but which parameters make any currency or payment method acceptable. If I had to name a few, I would say:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Nathan
I'm a little skeptical about the charitable nature of Bitpay's offer to hold funds for the WMF. It doesn't help that they refer to Wikipedia's bank accounts, but in the absence of other evidence I suspect that Bitpay is taking advantage of the volatility of Bitcoin exchange rates to profit from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.orgwrote: That assumes that [Bitpay] are, in fact, forwarding donations at all. We have received some funds from them. ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team Thanks Matt. I'm still concerned that they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising: are we trying what we tried on July 30?

2013-12-09 Thread Nathan
If the number of donations and the total amount donated stayed the same, how did the amount of the average donation spike by a factor of 10? Looks like a data glitch, not some special strategy. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still very interested in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser Launch Today

2013-12-02 Thread Nathan
Hi Megan, quick question - when the campaign goal is hit, will the fundraising campaign return to the low profile version you now run year-round? Or will the banners stay up until a specific ending date? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

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