Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Nathan
On July 7th, Katherine Maher of the WMF said that they had not received any notifications and had not made a decision as to how or whether to publicize them. She did say that she thought it would be on next year's transparency report (the first instance of which either came out recently or is comin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Fred Bauder
I would prefer decency as a core value. Fred > On 05/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > ... >> We have a reply: >> https://twitter.com/JulietteGarside/status/496644233580003328 >> >> "@jayvdb @guardian @Wikipedia @wikisignpost We won't know unless >> Wikipedia chooses to make that informatio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Fred Bauder
I would prefer decency as a core value. Fred > On 05/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > ... >> We have a reply: >> https://twitter.com/JulietteGarside/status/496644233580003328 >> >> "@jayvdb @guardian @Wikipedia @wikisignpost We won't know unless >> Wikipedia chooses to make that informatio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Fæ
On 05/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: ... > We have a reply: > https://twitter.com/JulietteGarside/status/496644233580003328 > > "@jayvdb @guardian @Wikipedia @wikisignpost We won't know unless > Wikipedia chooses to make that information public" Unless I'm missing something, this means that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Risker wrote: >> I'm not sure you're correct about what is being "disappeared", Fae. I >> believe that the Guardian is referring to an article of theirs that is now >> not seen in Google search results

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2014 19:15, geni wrote: > On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: >> We don't know yet for sure what the disappeared page is. >> I would advise caution before spreading it across the Net and back. >> Remember that Wikipedia is *big and scary* to people outside it. It's >> quite p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread geni
On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: > We don't know yet for sure what the disappeared page is. > > I would advise caution before spreading it across the Net and back. > Remember that Wikipedia is *big and scary* to people outside it. It's > quite possible this is something that really doe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: >> Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the >> issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. > > Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the > community at large? > > -- > Andy Mab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 11:40, David Gerard wrote: > On 4 August 2014 11:03, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: > >>> Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the >>> issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. > >> Why would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 11:22, Fæ wrote: > On 04/08/2014, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: >>> Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the >>> issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. >> >> Why would that need to be deal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2014 11:03, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: >> Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the >> issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. > Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Fæ
On 04/08/2014, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: >> Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the >> issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. > > Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the > c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard wrote: > Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the > issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the community at large? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsont

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
We don't know yet for sure what the disappeared page is. I would advise caution before spreading it across the Net and back. Remember that Wikipedia is *big and scary* to people outside it. It's quite possible this is something that really doesn't belong in a BLP, but the subject doesn't quite kno

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-03 Thread Fæ
On 3 August 2014 06:27, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Anyway, I've asked in the off-chance they can give clues. > https://twitter.com/jayvdb/status/495802112429682688 Retweeted! We might get an answer with enough re-tweets. :-) It seems logical to suppose that there are senior managers in the WM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-03 Thread Gryllida
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014, at 08:27, Fæ wrote: > Re: > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten > > If Google "disappearing" a Wikipedia article is a notable news event, It is not. They had processed a lot of such requests in July. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Risker wrote: > I'm not sure you're correct about what is being "disappeared", Fae. I > believe that the Guardian is referring to an article of theirs that is now > not seen in Google search results for certain terms. The article makes it > pretty clear that The G

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > The title of the article above an image of Jimmy Wales, is: Wikipedia > link to be hidden in Google under 'right to be forgotten' law > Request for blocking of search results granted to anonymous applicant is > first to affect an entry in the o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Fred Bauder
The title of the article above an image of Jimmy Wales, is: Wikipedia link to be hidden in Google under 'right to be forgotten' law Request for blocking of search results granted to anonymous applicant is first to affect an entry in the online encyclopaedia Fred > Re: > http://www.theguardian.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Fred Bauder
Google's motto is "Do no evil" I suppose you would have ours be "do all notable evil" Fred > Re: > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten > > If Google "disappearing" a Wikipedia article is a notable news event, > wouldn't that m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Risker
Well, Fae, since the only place that Adam Osborne is mentioned in Wikipedia is as the son of his father, and it does not mention anything more than his name, I am pretty certain that you're mistaken. The exact quote from the Guardian is: "Google has already begun to implement the ruling, with te

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Fæ
On 2 August 2014 23:49, Risker wrote: > I'm not sure you're correct about what is being "disappeared", Fae. I > believe that the Guardian is referring to an article of theirs that is now > not seen in Google search results for certain terms. The article makes it > pretty clear that The Guardian

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Risker
I'm not sure you're correct about what is being "disappeared", Fae. I believe that the Guardian is referring to an article of theirs that is now not seen in Google search results for certain terms. The article makes it pretty clear that The Guardian does not known which article is involved. Risk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Russavia
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[Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Fæ
Re: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten If Google "disappearing" a Wikipedia article is a notable news event, wouldn't that meet the Wikipedia notability requirements to make an article about it? The information being disappea