Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
After thinking about John's response, I've realized that those works should go into public domain (actually, under CC-BY, as Serbian laws don't recognize PD outside strictly defined "works not created by author" in the sense of laws and other similar works; it's been explicitly stated that "moral r

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-24 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > I would actually say: Is there a point to have a prescriptive work > without ND clause? Course there is. The text of the CC licenses, for example, is under CC0; "Creative Commons" is trademarked and that trademark is used to prevent misuse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
> >> and Wikisource projects typically have *revision* patrolling enabled > >> to help catch incorrect changes. > > > > Revision patrolling is less bulletproof than a checksum, but if it is > > enough for the people who care about this normative grammar's integrity, > > it's certainly enough for me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> > But since Milos asked: In Wikisource changing the original is indeed >> > vandalism, but somebody must notice that it's vandalism. AFAIK > Wikisource >> > doesn't have a proper way to authenticate that the document is in its >> > origin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
> > But since Milos asked: In Wikisource changing the original is indeed > > vandalism, but somebody must notice that it's vandalism. AFAIK Wikisource > > doesn't have a proper way to authenticate that the document is in its > > original form. > Could you elaborate on this? If you open the links

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > Another example from the Free software world is TeX, which can be relevant > here: It is released under a Free license, and modification is allowed, but > modified versions cannot be called "TeX". See > htt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> > But, my initial point was: Am I missing something? Would there be any >> > reason why such grammar would have sense without ND clause? > >> Milos, > >> Could we not import these works onto Wikisource in original format, >> where they wo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
> > But, my initial point was: Am I missing something? Would there be any > > reason why such grammar would have sense without ND clause? > Milos, > Could we not import these works onto Wikisource in original format, > where they would be preserved without permitting altering from the > original?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread Milos Rancic
Just a short note before I think about this: Dictionaries are free and there is a lot of sense having them under a free license (will be CC-BY). I am talking about Normative Grammar of Serbian Language here. On Feb 23, 2015 9:31 AM, "John Mark Vandenberg" wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:51 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Which, actually, reminds me that we definitely need a "non-free" > repository. For example, we could get that grammar to be quoted in > whole, but there is no sense to change it. > > But, my initial point was: Am I missing something? Would the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > I'm finding this a bit difficult to parse; am I interpreting it correctly > if I read it as: because the project is to produce a prescriptive, > normative grammar, there's a desired No Derivatives element of any adopted > license to prevent th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-22 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sunday, 22 February 2015, Milos Rancic wrote: > As some of you know, we are working on the project [1] with Matica > srpska [2]. Basically, that opens numerous possibilities and here is > one of them. > > My professor, a Board member of Matica srpska and one of two > co-authors of the Normativ

[Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-22 Thread Milos Rancic
As some of you know, we are working on the project [1] with Matica srpska [2]. Basically, that opens numerous possibilities and here is one of them. My professor, a Board member of Matica srpska and one of two co-authors of the Normative Grammar of Serbian Language wants to open the Grammar. Befo