[Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

... it would be good to talk a bit about the state of our community and movement. Initially, I was quite positively surprised by the fact that this will be the best WMF Board elections ever in the terms of turnout of voters. It will beat 2007 elections and it will be likely 2.5 times better than p

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2015-05-31 22:57 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic : > ... it would be good to talk a bit about the state of our community > and movement. > > Initially, I was quite positively surprised by the fact that this will > be the best WMF Board elections ever in the terms of turnout of > voters. It will beat 2007 e

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There were only 9 votes from Ukrainian community in 2013, I believe So this year we just made sure that our community REALLY knows about the elections, thus we: - translated the candidates statements into Ukrainian - prepared a short table with the essence of these statements in Ukrainian and pos

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A couple comments inline from a technical election process (not commenting on much of the rest not because I'm not interested but just for simplicity right now given other work :) ). James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:

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Ukraine has done great this year! Your work clearly paid off, currently 11.74% of the eligible users on ukWiki have voted (making it one of the highest % wikis, and the highest if you only count medium/large wikis some of the smaller ones get an advantage when % is factored in). It also accounts fo

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There were a lot of factors that went into the vote turnout. Some of it we should be able to build on going into the next election, others are likely snapshot moment in time factors that we may not be able to capture again. James has pointed out a number of key technical considerations, and there

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On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, James Alexander wrote: > Ukraine has done great this year! Your work clearly paid off, currently > 11.74% of the eligible users on ukWiki have voted (making it one of the > highest % wikis, and the highest if you only count medium/large wikis some > of the smaller

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25% turnout is amazing!! Thank you, and congratulations to WM UA, particularly given the political situation at home. I also collected a few thoughts about the elections here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny/Thoughts_Board_Election_2015 Thanks to the Election Committee and everyone els

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I believe the Ukrain case well illustrates a key characteristic of this election - the high participation rate from the middle and small sized communities. It looks like we have we had voters from 184 wikis participating, an amazing number! As greg already pointed this is probably related to t

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So, there are two good news and one bad. The most important good one is that efforts made by James, Philippe and EC have given [global] results. It's always good to hear that we depend less on weather conditions and more on our own work. So, thank you for your good work! :) I agree with you in re

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Just a clarification on numbers In James (internal) table enwps share of total number of eligible votes is 35,4% Participation rate state from enwp was 8,26% against mean for all 9,5%. If enwp is excluded the participation rate for all of the rest stands at 10,2% Enwp users also include user

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Milos, thanks for initiating the conversation. Some random thoughts: 1. The efforts to get people to vote are admirable, and it's heartening to see the participation trend reversed. 2. There is the elephant in the room which is the recent DE Mediaviewer/super protect issue. It is possible it has

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Lih wrote: > 3. Participation in the mailing list may be a misleading indicator of > activity or interest, as other regional or specialized forums (eg. > Facebook, GLAM-oriented lists, etc) have emerged in recent years. > Let me second this. My department i

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Lih wrote: > >> 3. Participation in the mailing list may be a misleading indicator of >> activity or interest, as other regional or specialized forums (eg. >> Facebook, GLAM-oriented lists, etc) have emerge

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Hi Milos, I think you're overestimating the importance of this list, which is read by only a small portion of the community. Many people in the wider community have no idea this exists. Best, --Ed On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Luis Villa

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Ed Erhart wrote: >I think you're overestimating the importance of this list, which is read >by only a small portion of the community. Many people in the wider >community have no idea this exists. Sort of. :-) In absolute numbers, of course the total number of list subscribers/readers is a very sm

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Lih wrote: > > > >> 3. Participation in the mailing list may be a misleading indicator of > >> activity or interest, as other regional or specializ

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Luis, I have to say that you are the first person on WMF side who has substantially engaged into this issue and I am very glad to see that :) The products of your work are of the highest importance, as the community is the most important part of our movement, not to say that it's the movement itse

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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Luis Villa wrote: > (I know some FOSS communities are having good experiences with > discourse.org, for example.) > Please, please, can we do that too? :-) FWIW, I studied Discourse a bit and I think it has enormous potential. It is developed with the explicit goa

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On 2015-06-01 11:17, Anders Wennersten wrote: Just a clarification on numbers In James (internal) table enwps share of total number of eligible votes is 35,4% Participation rate state from enwp was 8,26% against mean for all 9,5%. If enwp is excluded the participation rate for all of the rest st

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While the total number of eligible voters is reliable (and also made general available), the breakdown of numbers by project is much less reliable, of the reason you bring up. And for the small, and even more the very small projects, the numbers could even be said to be unreliable. For us in

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Andrew Gray skrev den 2015-06-03 13:42: I might be misremembering, but I thought that whether or not user X had voted was public information? It certainly was in 2013; digging through old emails turns up a link to https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/290 which seems to be th

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On 3 June 2015 at 13:26, Anders Wennersten wrote: ... > This is new information for me. We have had a similar but extended list like > this to have as base for vote checking. But I am not aware it will be > generally available. > > At the start this year we discussed what type of voting method to

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Folks, At the link, you can find List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 Yours, Peaceray -- peace...@cascadia.wiki On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Fæ wrote: > On 3 June 2015 at 13:26, Anders Wennersten > wro

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On 2015-06-03 17:42, Raymond Leonard wrote: Folks, At the link, you can find List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 Yours, Peaceray -- Thank you. I am indeed listed as voting from Meta, where I barely qual

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On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On 2015-06-03 17:42, Raymond Leonard wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> At the link, you can find >> List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 >> https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 >> >> Yours, >>

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Nathan skrev den 2015-06-03 18:16: What does it indicate if a vote record is displayed in gray instead of black? A vote that was recast later Anders ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidel

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Quick clarification. The discussion on open votes the committee had earlier was primarily about if the actual votes - as in who people voted for - should be public (as it is with Steward elections). The list of who voted has been and will remain public. Information on who someone voted for is -

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> At the link, you can find > List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 > https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 I personally don't mind it being made public that I voted in this election, but this really is something that voters should be clearly inf

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in my humble opinion, what's the big deal? we usually vote openly in the projects and everything bad/great about this or that user is revealed really openly (sometimes too openly, but well... nothing to be done here) it is our own decision whether to vote and how to vote, isn't it? best, antana

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There's been a publicly viewable list of voters for every SecurePoll based election or vote since the time of its creation. Until 2013, BoT voter lists were usually available for several months after the election, until the external host cleared them off (usually just before the next election). T

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That's great! I'm not complaining about the list of voters being made public (I actually support this!). I'm just pointing out that this wasn't made clear when votes were being cast. Something to improve next time around? Thanks, Mike > On 3 Jun 2015, at 23:31, Risker wrote: > > There's been

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Yes, I think that a disclosure up front would be appropriate, perhaps when someone first access the SecurePoll interface. By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generating a public list of voters who cast ballots, while keeping the nature of their votes private, is relatively common

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> By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generating a public > list of voters who cast ballots, while keeping the nature of their votes > private, is relatively common in election processes in general. In the > United States, political parties use this information for their "get out

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On 3 June 2015 at 18:42, Michael Peel wrote: > > > By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generating a public > > list of voters who cast ballots, while keeping the nature of their votes > > private, is relatively common in election processes in general. In the > > United States, po

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> On 3 Jun 2015, at 23:48, Risker wrote: > > On 3 June 2015 at 18:42, Michael Peel wrote: > >> >>> By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generating a public >>> list of voters who cast ballots, while keeping the nature of their votes >>> private, is relatively common in electio

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On 3 June 2015 at 19:11, Michael Peel wrote: > > > On 3 Jun 2015, at 23:48, Risker wrote: > > > > On 3 June 2015 at 18:42, Michael Peel wrote: > > > >> > >>> By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generating a > public > >>> list of voters who cast ballots, while keeping the natur

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> On 4 Jun 2015, at 00:41, Risker wrote: > > On 3 June 2015 at 19:11, Michael Peel > wrote: > >> >>> On 3 Jun 2015, at 23:48, Risker wrote: >>> >>> On 3 June 2015 at 18:42, Michael Peel wrote: >>> > By the way, my understanding is that the practice of

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a Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the >votes... > Message-ID: <6e992e76-b2c9-4585-aa9f-31fe15a92...@mikepeel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >> By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generat

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Actully is probably much higher in terms of currently acrive editors. For example - in Polish WIkipedia there are currently around 250 - 100+ editors - and there was 171 votes (if I calculated it properly) - and in Ukrainian Wikipedia - if you calculate it in similar way the effective tournover is

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On Jun 4, 2015 15:20, "Tomasz Ganicz" wrote: > > ... and in Ukrainian > Wikipedia - if you calculate it in similar way the effective tournover is > close to 90% !!! (170 100+ editors and 163 votes). This is very good point! It would be good if we'd have election turnout numbers split into the ne

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On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On 2015-06-03 17:42, Raymond Leonard wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> At the link, you can find >> List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 >> https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 >> >> Yours, >>

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > > Small point -- because this is the first election we've done using SUL > (hooray!!) the wiki listed is whatever someone's "home" wiki is > according to SUL (I think) and not, as in past years, the wiki where > you actually clicked the vote

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On 2015-06-04 20:48, James Alexander wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: Small point -- because this is the first election we've done using SUL (hooray!!) the wiki listed is whatever someone's "home" wiki is according to SUL (I think) and not, as in past years, the wi

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> On 4 Jun 2015, at 11:39, WereSpielChequers > wrote: > > In the UK lists of voters marked with who did and did not vote are called > "marked registers". They are available to political parties and can be used > to check that no-one has voted on behalf of people who don't vote for > religiou